Re: Disgusting
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:29 pm
If you want to use the analogy of a speeding offence. It is like Newton has collected 3 points and a £60 fine but Pryce, McDermott etc have been let off scot free.
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Re: Disgusting
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:38 pm
it is about time this was put to bed.LONG can do this if terri decides to take it further.He can take a case out for GBH [HE HAS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE]this happened with fergison[footballer] and he received a custodial sentence plus large damages
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:54 pm
Having been on the end of a deliberate elbow which broke my cheek bone I am sat on the fence a bit! I don't think that his stiff arm on Gilmour was intentional, IMO as gilmour fell TN swung his arm to get the body but caught the head, then it was the impact that knocked him out!
However the 'tackle' on Long was an intentional elbow aimed towards the head whether he meant to knock him into the other player or his head off is irrelevant because either way it was dirty play!
I rate TN as one of the greatest hookers in the World but he has to realise that his play does not
A) win Games or
B) set a good example to the stars of tommorrow!
Maybe this will allow him to reflect on his action as we have done for the last 15 pages. At the end of the day he could have been up for GBH and could have been looking at 18 months plus at her majestys request, this would have put him out for the whole season and not just for 10 games.
I hope that he comes back stronger, fitter and most of all more mature and takes his rightful place as best Hooker in GB. At least in the mean time we have Godwin who has impressed me no-end this season
However the 'tackle' on Long was an intentional elbow aimed towards the head whether he meant to knock him into the other player or his head off is irrelevant because either way it was dirty play!
I rate TN as one of the greatest hookers in the World but he has to realise that his play does not
A) win Games or
B) set a good example to the stars of tommorrow!
Maybe this will allow him to reflect on his action as we have done for the last 15 pages. At the end of the day he could have been up for GBH and could have been looking at 18 months plus at her majestys request, this would have put him out for the whole season and not just for 10 games.
I hope that he comes back stronger, fitter and most of all more mature and takes his rightful place as best Hooker in GB. At least in the mean time we have Godwin who has impressed me no-end this season
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:30 pm
Well I don't suppose having players selected for Great Britain benefits the club either so should we make all our players inelligable?cpwigan posted:This is Whelan who took on GM Police. He does not need the money from hosting RL events bar Wigan and how does this income benefit us (Wigan RL)? It does not, we cannot spend it.DaveO posted:
And the motive for presurising the "weak" RFL is what? To make it cave in and become even weaker?
If you are part of the game, owner of a leading club with a ground chosen for internationals spitting the dummy out over an incident like Newtons will just serve to antagognise the powers that be further.
Have you read the adjudication at the RFL web site in the link posted previously in this thread? To start doing things like withdrawing the use of the JJB after being presented with that would be like Arthur Scrgill calling a miners strike in the middle of summer with coal stocks at a record high. Outright stupidity.
Back down from what? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the judgement as far as I can see having read it. The sentance is fitting and the fact they give others different sentances isn't something to go to war with the RFL over when your example of injustice would be Terry Newton.What is the alternative, we back down. We did that once already when Cummings threatened the club if they appealed against a sending off. Twice the RFL have walked all over us when we have turned the other cheek.
He has not been treated harshly IMO and to say his fate was pre-determined is pure speculation at best. You have no idea if that was the case at all.We have a situation were a guilty player has clearly been treated harshly. He was treated harshly because his fate was pre-determined before any hearing.
You pick your battles as well and this ins't the right one.Somebody on high be it Cummings or Lewis instructed that 3 man body that Newton needed to be made an example of. His ban is totally out of line with what they have given out on and since the day of that hearing. Are we supposed to let that happen? When something is patently wrong you make a STAND
There is no way on earth you can say Terry Newton has been unjustly treated. You can say others have got off lightly but the problem is with the other players punishment, not what was given out to Newton.Why apply pressure? To ensure you do not get treated so unfairly again. Better still to force the RFL to introduce an NRL judiciary system. The best in the world have fought their corner. No one was better at it than Wally Lewis. What does it achieve, you can control who officiates your matches, it has happened, you can even get people sacked, it has happened.
Why not apply pressure? If we do not what happens? The RFL continue to act unjustly and corruptly and the game gets no better. Another Wigan player may suffer the same unjust treatment.
If one of our players is on the wrong end of a deliberate challenge like that in the future and a player of a similar record to Newton does it, then if they get a lesser sentance then would be the time to complain but there is no milage in using Newton as an example.
You need some evidence of consistant and OTT punishment of our players to have a case, not just someone with Newtons record getting what he deserved.
It might be out of line but it isn't wrong in itself.OUR club has lost a player, a key player for an excessive amount of time. NOBODY is arguing he's not guilty but his ban is out of line with RFL norm and WIGAN will suffer.
Dave
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:37 pm
I have absolutely no idea what the people you mntion above were complaining about but as has been said by several posters Newton got what he deserved. As I mentioned in my previous post Terry Newton's case is not the one to go to war over with the RFL as he was so obviously guilty and had a bad record.cpwigan posted:Oddly enough my attitude is no different to that of many fantastic rugby league players. Wally Lewis and his Queensland Team Mates brought down Terry Fearnley by applying exactly the same belief.DaveO posted:With an attitude like yours I doubt you would have been picked in the first place.cpwigan posted:
Was I a Wigan player and GB squad member I would pull out of the Tri-nations.
Sorry but you are talking complete nonsense. I am not quite sure how the discussion got to the stage of the club and its players spitting the dummy out in respose to Newton getting what he deserved but it is perverse.
Dave
Routinely the likes of Fergusson, Wenger, Mourinhio stand their corner and fight for their rights.
What does your lame ass turn the other cheek approach achieve DAve? People wee on you
MrsLam: please don't use offesnsive language ta
Dave
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:38 pm
Ditto, however the point I was trying to make was that had his punishment been lesser then Mr Long could have pressed for a GBH charge (and probably still could) however as TN will sit 10 games on the sideline then this becomes less likely.TWO EYED WARRIOR posted:
[I would hope that nothing in SL would ever be taken to this extreme and would hope that what goes on, illegally on the pitch, is dealt with by the RFL judiciary otherwise we would have chaos within the super league.
A short ban wouldn't have given the right image. An earlier post mentioned someone narrowly avoiding a ban for an attempted spear tackle. As cynical as this sounds imagine the ban that player would have received if he'd pulled it off and paralysed another player? It may not seem fair to Wigan fans but those same Wigan fans would have been cheering all the way to Knowsley Road if it'd been Cunningham. We have to face up to the fact that he's been banned for being a bad boy and just make the best of a bad situation
Here Here!!!!We have to remeber no one person is bigger than the sport
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:13 pm
In the same way a certain Mr Cantona came back from a lengthy ban to play awesome and help win Man U a Premiership titleTWO EYED WARRIOR posted:
i just hope tez can comeback and shove it down the throats of those who may doubt his playing talent.
[/quote]Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:48 pm
Discouraging players from playing internationals is common place nowadays in most sports. THERE ARE NO BENEFITS TO PLAYING FOR GB. The RFL do not care about the players. This great body you support capitulates to the Aussies every year and endangers the welfare of it's own players by forcing them to play successive weeks with no break unlike the Aussies or Kiwis. STRAIGHT AWAY THIS SUPPOSED BODY THAT NEEDS TO SET STANDARDS SAYS HEY WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, THE ARL ARE OUR MASTERS, WE ARE MERE PUPPETS, SOD YOU. Fact players get injured when fatigued and being dominated. The RFL are prepared to endanger the elite players which sorta makes the furore surrounding Newton so hollow and pathetic it beggars belief.DaveO posted:Well I don't suppose having players selected for Great Britain benefits the club either so should we make all our players inelligable?cpwigan posted:This is Whelan who took on GM Police. He does not need the money from hosting RL events bar Wigan and how does this income benefit us (Wigan RL)? It does not, we cannot spend it.DaveO posted:
And the motive for presurising the "weak" RFL is what? To make it cave in and become even weaker?
If you are part of the game, owner of a leading club with a ground chosen for internationals spitting the dummy out over an incident like Newtons will just serve to antagognise the powers that be further.
THE RFL is a weak organisation. Weak organisations need manipulating. It's simply doing what is right for your club not spitting the dummy!
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:10 pm
DaveO posted:cpwigan posted::eh: I can understand / accept different views / appraoches but how can anybody believe he has been treated fairly? It beggars belief to hold that view. Noboy in recent times has received a ban of that size. Several players have commited an identical offence to the Gilmour one, Hooper has done something akin to the Long and Brad Meyers did something far worse. Can anybody come here and tell me a spear tackle is not worse than an elbow???? Every spear tackle is deliberate. These guys are not even being called to answer a case. THATS FAIR ???DaveO posted:
Have you read the adjudication at the RFL web site in the link posted previously in this thread? To start doing things like withdrawing the use of the JJB after being presented with that would be like Arthur Scrgill calling a miners strike in the middle of summer with coal stocks at a record high. Outright stupidity.
Back down from what? There is absolutely nothing wrong with the judgement as far as I can see having read it. The sentance is fitting and the fact they give others different sentances isn't something to go to war with the RFL over when your example of injustice would be Terry Newton.
He has not been treated harshly IMO and to say his fate was pre-determined is pure speculation at best. You have no idea if that was the case at all.
I can put umpteen analogies in front of you. If your child received expulsion fo fighting when other children received a detention you'd be off in the car and screaming at the Headteacher / Governing Body. If the Police / Courts treated you harshly for an offence compared to others you would be screaming abuse of human rights and so forth.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE. Terry was guilty but the RFL determined beforehand to treat him unfairly no matter what. That is wrong. The RFL is corrupt and worthless
Re: Disgusting
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:13 pm
My final word is very simple. Nothing was ever achieved that improved anything in the lives of people by sitting back and accepting your fate cap in hand. People achieve positive change by standing up and saying this is not right, it needs to be changed.
the British mentality these days is a mug mentality
the British mentality these days is a mug mentality