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[TrueBlueWarrior]

Ignore history at your peril.

Which is exactly the point I was making, posters can't rattle on about history when it suits one agenda ie. How good Maguire was! Then ignore history when it doesn't suit their agenda ie. Ignore what SW has achieved!!

Yes, but success doesn't last forever.
What is the one thing that brings down 'great people'?
Arrogance. He's arrogant. He's thick-headed (own words). He won the Double and thought he was the bees knees. Thought he'd taught the world, or at least the ESL, how to play rugby.

Everyone on here wants him to do well, but it might not happen.
Just look at this from the other side of the coin.

These are the people who brought Sean Long back to the club, signed Eddy Pettybourne who had a well documented record of depression and club/nation hopping (see Australian press), signed Matt Bowen AND then gave him another year's extension.

I could go on, and YES, they have done some good things, BUT they make mistakes. And if these mistakes keep going unchecked, then be very worried.

KR should be the one trying to sort this mess out. What's he doing, getting SW another coffee??

Anyway, just like to say that this site seems a bit more adult today. People are allowed views, they don't all have to be the same and snidey comments aren't very mature.

Thank you for your advice

I don't disagree with you about the club, IL, SW and KR! Things clearly aren't good at the moment. All I was saying is posters that choose to look at history to support something but then forget about history when it doesn't is not right!!

[sc74]

Which is exactly the point I was making, posters can't rattle on about history when it suits one agenda ie. How good Maguire was! Then ignore history when it doesn't suit their agenda ie. Ignore what SW has achieved!!

Yes, but success doesn't last forever.
What is the one thing that brings down 'great people'?
Arrogance. He's arrogant. He's thick-headed (own words). He won the Double and thought he was the bees knees. Thought he'd taught the world, or at least the ESL, how to play rugby.

Everyone on here wants him to do well, but it might not happen.
Just look at this from the other side of the coin.

These are the people who brought Sean Long back to the club, signed Eddy Pettybourne who had a well documented record of depression and club/nation hopping (see Australian press), signed Matt Bowen AND then gave him another year's extension.

I could go on, and YES, they have done some good things, BUT they make mistakes. And if these mistakes keep going unchecked, then be very worried.

KR should be the one trying to sort this mess out. What's he doing, getting SW another coffee??

Anyway, just like to say that this site seems a bit more adult today. People are allowed views, they don't all have to be the same and snidey comments aren't very mature.

Thank you for your advice

I don't disagree with you about the club, IL, SW and KR! Things clearly aren't good at the moment. All I was saying is posters that choose to look at history to support something but then forget about history when it doesn't is not right!!

That will often be the case, but it works both ways.
Have you seen the Down Under DVD?

His image is awful, it is just what the Northern League haters love. A bit like watching Hock on his sofa.

You probably hate the other code, but that famous Lions Tour DVD is excellent. Full of intelligence and smart thinking professionals.

Anyway, I'm just finishing my 31st straight day of work, getting a headache. Enjoy your weekend

[slimshady]

This threads a joke, we've played 4 games and its sack the coach. CPW is obsessed with "waneball" and some of you on here are swallowing it hook line and sinker, the teams not playing well with too many individual errors, after what I saw on the few highlights last night the video analysis this week will be eventful to say the least.
There is no problem behind the scenes as some want to think, the coach will sort it out. For me the biggest problem is Leneghan, this situation is down to him and him alone. He wants to do everything on the cheap, good players leave we don't replace them with quality players in the main positions. Get your hand in your pocket Leneghan and stop being a cheapskate

[cpwigan]

This threads a joke, we've played 4 games and its sack the coach. CPW is obsessed with "waneball" and some of you on here are swallowing it hook line and sinker, the teams not playing well with too many individual errors, after what I saw on the few highlights last night the video analysis this week will be eventful to say the least.
There is no problem behind the scenes as some want to think, the coach will sort it out. For me the biggest problem is Leneghan, this situation is down to him and him alone. He wants to do everything on the cheap, good players leave we don't replace them with quality players in the main positions. Get your hand in your pocket Leneghan and stop being a cheapskate

There is no problem behind the scenes as some want to think, the coach will sort it out. For me the biggest problem is Leneghan, this situation is down to him and him alone.

Make no sense whatsoever. The owner / board room = behind the scenes!

BTW your assumption is IMO wrong. Wigan right or wrong decided to pursue a youth policy and Wane was 110% behind that. IL, Rads AND Wane discuss and agree re the squad / signings etc. It is not one or the other.

BTW the youth policy albeit risky could work in the short ball and should pay off long term but is crippled by an incredibly limited coach who has 'bastardised' the Madge game plan without understand what / why he was doing.

You are clearly very pro Wane, a disciple no less by your posts. Rather than throw meaningless insults explain how a game plan that pays little regard to possession and/or field position yet results in mistakes, player fatigue/injuries and ill discipline can work? If 'Waneball' was so good why is nobody else copying it?

Likewise if Wane is so good can you explain how IL is making Waneball fail so spectacularly give Wane is such a great coach?

[medlocke]

Love how everybody goes on about the messiah that is Madge, yeah he did a good job but as soon as the Aussie clubs came knocking he was gone like a shot, he could have stayed for that 3rd year even if it was only an option, sick of hearing about Madge, the Souths & the NRL, some on here and elsewhere are worse than a 12 year old finding his dads mucky mag stash the way they go on about it, i couldn't give a shiny one about the NRL, they don't seem to care one bit about the state of our game.

[cpwigan]

Love how everybody goes on about the messiah that is Madge, yeah he did a good job but as soon as the Aussie clubs came knocking he was gone like a shot, he could have stayed for that 3rd year even if it was only an option, sick of hearing about Madge, the Souths & the NRL, some on here and elsewhere are worse than a 12 year old finding his dads mucky mag stash the way they go on about it, i couldn't give a shiny one about the NRL, they don't seem to care one bit about the state of our game.

Your entitled to your view Meds

Personally I disagree. I have said in another thread that Madge underachieved in his second season once it was confirmed he was leaving. It is somewhat understandable albeit regrettable. The legacy however is important.

The main reason why I an I presume others are interested in the NRL is because we are RL fans first and foremost and want to see / learn from the very best RL out there. I think Russell Crowe recently talked about it sport is not about creating magic etc for youngster then what is the point. Well, like many, the 1982 Kangaroos and then Brett Kenny/John Ferguson created that magic for me and let to a lifetime interest in the NRL.

Sport is somehow odd in that we will follow sub standard or poor efforts out of loyalty for our club but would you watch a rubbish movie week in week out, listen to rubbish music all the time, eat rubbish food all the time. OF COURSE NOT. In the midst of a dire period for my club, Rangi Chase kept the passuion for the sport alive as do/will the very best RL has to offer, the NRL.

I presume you are going to lie down now Mweds and listen to SAW cds, of course not

[TrueBlueWarrior]

Yes, but success doesn't last forever.
What is the one thing that brings down 'great people'?
Arrogance. He's arrogant. He's thick-headed (own words). He won the Double and thought he was the bees knees. Thought he'd taught the world, or at least the ESL, how to play rugby.

Everyone on here wants him to do well, but it might not happen.
Just look at this from the other side of the coin.

These are the people who brought Sean Long back to the club, signed Eddy Pettybourne who had a well documented record of depression and club/nation hopping (see Australian press), signed Matt Bowen AND then gave him another year's extension.

I could go on, and YES, they have done some good things, BUT they make mistakes. And if these mistakes keep going unchecked, then be very worried.

KR should be the one trying to sort this mess out. What's he doing, getting SW another coffee??

Anyway, just like to say that this site seems a bit more adult today. People are allowed views, they don't all have to be the same and snidey comments aren't very mature.

Thank you for your advice

I don't disagree with you about the club, IL, SW and KR! Things clearly aren't good at the moment. All I was saying is posters that choose to look at history to support something but then forget about history when it doesn't is not right!!

That will often be the case, but it works both ways.
Have you seen the Down Under DVD?

His image is awful, it is just what the Northern League haters love. A bit like watching Hock on his sofa.

You probably hate the other code, but that famous Lions Tour DVD is excellent. Full of intelligence and smart thinking professionals.

Anyway, I'm just finishing my 31st straight day of work, getting a headache. Enjoy your weekend

Again, I am not defending SW at all as he is making some really bad decisions at the moment!!

The point I am trying to make is not about SW at all it's about posters saying one thing to suit an opinion/argument, but then ignoring it when it doesn't back up what they are saying, again nothing to do with SW!!

As for the other sport, I actually enjoy it and loved the DVD you alluded to!!

[DaveO]

Love how everybody goes on about the messiah that is Madge, yeah he did a good job but as soon as the Aussie clubs came knocking he was gone like a shot, he could have stayed for that 3rd year even if it was only an option, sick of hearing about Madge, the Souths & the NRL, some on here and elsewhere are worse than a 12 year old finding his dads mucky mag stash the way they go on about it, i couldn't give a shiny one about the NRL, they don't seem to care one bit about the state of our game.

You being sick if hearing about Madge doesn't alter the fact he is the best club coach in the world right now.

I think you had better get used to hearing about it because its inevitable people will compare the current coach with the former one and the comparisons don't look good.

[cpwigan]

Love how everybody goes on about the messiah that is Madge, yeah he did a good job but as soon as the Aussie clubs came knocking he was gone like a shot, he could have stayed for that 3rd year even if it was only an option, sick of hearing about Madge, the Souths & the NRL, some on here and elsewhere are worse than a 12 year old finding his dads mucky mag stash the way they go on about it, i couldn't give a shiny one about the NRL, they don't seem to care one bit about the state of our game.

You being sick if hearing about Madge doesn't alter the fact he is the best club coach in the world right now.

I think you had better get used to hearing about it because its inevitable people will compare the current coach with the former one and the comparisons don't look good.

Just like the successors to Ferguson at Man Utd get compared with him and as the successors to Busby at Man Utd got compared to him. Part of life, deal it with it Meds.

Oddly though if you put a thread on here comparing ACDCs different line ups Meds would happily want to argue the toss. Double standards Meds, you big Cumberland Sausage!

[KOOCH]

This threads a joke, we've played 4 games and its sack the coach. CPW is obsessed with "waneball" and some of you on here are swallowing it hook line and sinker, the teams not playing well with too many individual errors, after what I saw on the few highlights last night the video analysis this week will be eventful to say the least.
There is no problem behind the scenes as some want to think, the coach will sort it out. For me the biggest problem is Leneghan, this situation is down to him and him alone. He wants to do everything on the cheap, good players leave we don't replace them with quality players in the main positions. Get your hand in your pocket Leneghan and stop being a cheapskate

Now you have just insulted half those that have another opinion other than your own.Not all folk have swallowed cpw's as you call it obsession with waneball.Some folk including myself have formed our own conclusion on the state of play currently being played and see that things just are not right.I wonder if you will be saying 15 games in that it's time to sack the coach.CPW is as entitled to his views regardless of the fact that you do not agree with him.Or with others it seems.But he's entitled to voice his opinion even though you might find it not to your liking.I do not aspire to the belief that Madge was god nor do I believe that Shaun Wane is god either.Each coach brings something different but some bring that little bit more than others.For what it is worth I am now of the opinion that Wane had a game plan that worked for a while but now that other coaches have worked out our strategy he's running around like an headless chicken.Whilst I thank him and the team for bringing silverware to the club I firmly believe that it's either learn how to beat the other teams with quick clever rugby.Not clueless ill disciplined thuggish rugby or ship out.Now if you still wish to think that this thread is a joke I would suggest you visit a forum where all the folk agree with your view all of the time.This is a forum.