What is happening to the Labour Party?

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Re: What is happening to the Labour Party?

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DaveO wrote:
Wintergreen wrote:
Why am I a Conservative?

Quite simply their policies reflect my own more than any other party.


- I believe in a smaller State rather than a larger one
- I believe in Indirect taxation rather than direct taxation (i.e. I would rather have more money in my pocket and it be ME who decides how to spend it rather than someone spending it "on my behalf").
- I believe that (overall) the Conservative foreign policy better looks after the UK.

You are a Conservative because you lack empathy. This is true of all Conservatives.

The proof is in what you say above. Indirect taxation such as VAT means the poor end up with a far higher percentage of their income going towards taxation. This is an indisputable fact. YOU would rather have money in your pocket and indirect taxation be the the way we tax because YOU have money. The fact those with little would end up with even less if we went the indirect taxation route clearly doesn't matter a jot to you. As I said no empathy.

It's a similar story with the smaller state thing. YOU think you can live without a larger state. Never mind contributing direct taxes that are spent to assist those who can't. Not your problem is it? A typical man mind thyself Tory attitude.

Maggie with her "There is no such thing as society" quote would have been proud of you.
Dave O, There's nothing worse than working class people who think that because they are a bit better off than others, have a trade or profession and think that makes them a true blue Conservative.

Spent a working life having to put up with their 'I'am all right Jack' attitude with no consideration for those less fortunate.

Too much petty snobbery in our Society today which has led to less community spirit like there used to be in years gone by.
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Re: What is happening to the Labour Party?

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Listening to Corbyn today I think he is away with the fairies and Labour will only wake up when his first General Election is an umitigated disaster and it will be! it will be even worse for Joe Public as the Conservative party will have a frightening majority to do whatever they want. Hopefully Labour can remain together rather than splitting but all Corbyn Et Al is create a deluded members club that the true mandate the electorate will never take seriously not trust.
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Listening to Corbyn today I think he is away with the fairies and Labour will only wake up when his first General Election is an umitigated disaster and it will be! it will be even worse for Joe Public as the Conservative party will have a frightening majority to do whatever they want. Hopefully Labour can remain together rather than splitting but all Corbyn Et Al ihave done s create a deluded members club that the true mandate, the electorate will never take seriously not trust.
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cpwigan wrote:Listening to Corbyn today I think he is away with the fairies and Labour will only wake up when his first General Election is an umitigated disaster and it will be! it will be even worse for Joe Public as the Conservative party will have a frightening majority to do whatever they want. Hopefully Labour can remain together rather than splitting but all Corbyn Et Al is create a deluded members club that the true mandate the electorate will never take seriously not trust.
Why are so against Corbyn? Anyone would think you were a Tory, the way you go on about him!

You may not like him, but it would appear that apart from the Parliamentary Labour Party and their cronies in the now ineffective Trade Union movement, he has been elected as the leader by ordinary Labour voters which is more than can be said about the leader of the Conservative Party who is elected by a elite body only.

The Labour Party will never get back into power as long as it keeps trying to attract the vote of 'Middle England' and does not return to being a real 'left of centre' alternative to the Conservative Party and attract back the voters who no longer vote for it because of the way the party has become a non real alternative, thanks to Tory Tony!


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Re: What is happening to the Labour Party?

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Let me see the Labour Party is split and paralysed; we have no opposition to the Conservativess and no prospect of a Labour Government at the present time. You are asinine with your Tory claim given my background as a mining family and someone who hated Thatcher. Oddlytaking middle England worked very well for the last Labour government or did you conveniently forget about that success. Right or not, the centre voters decide who governs this country.

Do you think Corbyn can win a general election?
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Re: What is happening to the Labour Party?

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Whelley
May didn't need a vote by the members, which was on the agenda, due to last woman standing!
What you fail to realise is you need to get the middle England vote to run government, particularly as the jocks are now SNP.
Blair recognised this and went for it. Whatever you think of Blair, he'll more than likely be the last elected PM in your or my lifetime?
Furthermore that's the reason Corbyn is a deluded old fart!!
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I say to anybody be careful in thinking Corbyn is wonderful for labour, the country or whatever. More and more Nazi style bully boy tactics are becoming evident which make a mockery of Jeremy is a nice man because some come directly from him whilst the handers on are far from nice people.

Tad embarassing that the righteous Corbyn is raising fund selling T Shirts produces in horrific sweat shop conditions.

Agent Corbyn is the best thing to ever fall into the laps of the Torys. 100+ majority at the next election and Corbyn happily mulching about in his allotment.
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Not to mention the brick throwing exploits of his supporters! His response, play nice!!
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Wandering Warrior wrote:Not to mention the brick throwing exploits of his supporters! His response, play nice!!
He is a very nast piece of work far beyond brick throwing
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Re: What is happening to the Labour Party?

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cpwigan wrote:Let me see the Labour Party is split and paralysed; we have no opposition to the Conservativess and no prospect of a Labour Government at the present time. You are asinine with your Tory claim given my background as a mining family and someone who hated Thatcher. Oddlytaking middle England worked very well for the last Labour government or did you conveniently forget about that success. Right or not, the centre voters decide who governs this country.

Do you think Corbyn can win a general election?
No, but a the same time, neither can Smith as a a result of the party moving to far to the right with the result that many traditional voters no longer vote Labour as a result.

In other words the party is now in no man's land as proved in the last General Election with the massive defeat of Millibrand, another ineffective leader of the party.

Apart from Corbyn, Smith and Eagles, name me one other Labour Politicians in the present Parliamentary Labour Party who will not only attract the middle class vote, but also the lost Labour voters?
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