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There is no point in keeping a player(whoever it is)who does not want to be a Wigan player and who is not willing to give 110% to the club or the fans for that matter.

platt-warrior wrote:There is no point in keeping a player(whoever it is)who does not want to be a Wigan player and who is not willing to give 110% to the club or the fans for that matter.

As Daveo has quite so eloquently put it, Wigan do not need to do anything!

Joel signed that contract and it was given to him by the club in good faith. If it was not acceptable a year ago, why did he sign it?

To attempt to force a move for pure financial gain, when you have already committed yourself to one deal is bordering on an illegal approach by the "interested party"

Why has Joel been allowed to hold any so called discussions with the RU when we are being informed that the stumbling block is compensation?

Surely the purchasing club must come up with enough financial benefits to force Wigan's hand to allow the player to talk not the other way around? Wigan should not have to accept "cap in hand" whatever is offered (if anything) just because A player is now "unhappy" after being illegally approached!

If Joel is left to rot in the reserves or another RL teams reserves because he feels he can renege on a contract then so be it. I don't care how unhappy he is there. I would be more concerned if this became the norm and then what sort of team would you all be left with?

thegimble wrote:

cpwigan wrote: Why people feel the need to compare a £50 million pound footballer to a RL player beggars belief IMO!! However, 99% of footballers that decide they want to move get their move do they not? which defeats the argument anyhow.

If a player does not want to stay there is not a lot you can do about it despite the high and mighty screaming stick 2 fingers up blah blah blah.

Maybe, sadly, this is the way RL is destined to go. When people scoff and grin at England RU doing badly, think again. A bad England RU team = lets find new players! When people support an egalatarian RL then fine but remember this is what happens and will continue to happen.

Sod off i grin at England losing in union as i am Welsh. And boy its been a fun weekend.

its all down to Shaun Edwards' defence tactics boyo. :exc:

butt monkey wrote:
If Joel is left to rot in the reserves or another RL teams reserves because he feels he can renege on a contract then so be it. I don't care how unhappy he is there.

I'm sorry BM but this is both wrong and deprives sports fans
from watching a good player play rugby of either code.

platt-warrior wrote:

butt monkey wrote:
If Joel is left to rot in the reserves or another RL teams reserves because he feels he can renege on a contract then so be it. I don't care how unhappy he is there.

I'm sorry BM but this is both wrong and deprives sports fans
from watching a good player play rugby of either code.

No it is completely correct. Joel would only be left to rot if he went into a sulk if IL enforced his contract. It would be entirely his own doing if Joel was in that situation.

The deprivation of sports fans is not our concern.

I can't see how Mr L can win in this situation, all he can do is attempt to negotiate the best deal for Wigan RLFC if Joel is determined to leave which after his request to be omitted from the England squad now appears more likely.

At the end of the day it's a short career and you don't really blame a player for trying to make the most of it. It's difficult for us as we believe that players should be 100% loyal to the club.

Reality is that money talks plus in union there's an added bonus that you don't get a mindless minority booing you as you play for your country just because you're contracted to a particular club.

RL is way behind RU on the international scene, until that gets fixed I sadly think that we'll continue to see this happening.

:exc: Fans need to stop believing the bullshit players / club officials spout. The only loyalty players have is to themselves and their families (probably nothing wrong with that) so unless fans want to delude themselves they need to realise that their influence upon players is zero.

cpwigan wrote: :exc: Fans need to stop believing the bullshit players / club officials spout. The only loyalty players have is to themselves and their families (probably nothing wrong with that) so unless fans want to delude themselves they need to realise that their influence upon players is zero.

In which case the sooner RL players realise they are not dissimilar to Modrik or Tevez in attempting to force a club to negotiate against it's own wishes - the better!

100% Warrior wrote:I can't see how Mr L can win in this situation, all he can do is attempt to negotiate the best deal for Wigan RLFC if Joel is determined to leave which after his request to be omitted from the England squad now appears more likely.

At the end of the day it's a short career and you don't really blame a player for trying to make the most of it. It's difficult for us as we believe that players should be 100% loyal to the club.

Reality is that money talks plus in union there's an added bonus that you don't get a mindless minority booing you as you play for your country just because you're contracted to a particular club.

RL is way behind RU on the international scene, until that gets fixed I sadly think that we'll continue to see this happening.

You can spout any rubbish you want about him wanting to be on an "international stage" after he has made himself unavailable for England. HOWEVER, the bottom line is money! I cannot argue for one second about short careers and making the best for his family etc etc, so answer me this one question. If he was not happy with what he signed last season, why did he sign it?

This is NOT like simply changing jobs for better remuneration as you or I would do. This is about professional sport and the contracts that go hand-in-hand with it. A player cannot simply decide he wants more money elsewhere and ignore what he has already agreed (and is legally binding)

butt monkey wrote:

platt-warrior wrote:There is no point in keeping a player(whoever it is)who does not want to be a Wigan player and who is not willing to give 110% to the club or the fans for that matter.

As Daveo has quite so eloquently put it, Wigan do not need to do anything!

Joel signed that contract and it was given to him by the club in good faith. If it was not acceptable a year ago, why did he sign it?

To attempt to force a move for pure financial gain, when you have already committed yourself to one deal is bordering on an illegal approach by the "interested party"

Why has Joel been allowed to hold any so called discussions with the RU when we are being informed that the stumbling block is compensation?

Surely the purchasing club must come up with enough financial benefits to force Wigan's hand to allow the player to talk not the other way around? Wigan should not have to accept "cap in hand" whatever is offered (if anything) just because A player is now "unhappy" after being illegally approached!

If Joel is left to rot in the reserves or another RL teams reserves because he feels he can renege on a contract then so be it. I don't care how unhappy he is there. I would be more concerned if this became the norm and then what sort of team would you all be left with?

Might be a tad cynical here but I doubt the good faith was on the side of the club. IL recognised that Joel and Sam are prize assets and took the usual precaution of protecting those assets. Assuming they were correctly advised at the time i.e. as to what their actual earning potential is, then it was an unselfish act on their part. If the union clubs come up with the right level of compensation, I'll bet there's no way will they be staying at Wigan, whether they want to or not.