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butt monkey wrote:

cpwigan wrote: :exc: Fans need to stop believing the bullshit players / club officials spout. The only loyalty players have is to themselves and their families (probably nothing wrong with that) so unless fans want to delude themselves they need to realise that their influence upon players is zero.

In which case the sooner RL players realise they are not dissimilar to Modrik or Tevez in attempting to force a club to negotiate against it's own wishes - the better!

jobo wrote:

butt monkey wrote:

platt-warrior wrote:There is no point in keeping a player(whoever it is)who does not want to be a Wigan player and who is not willing to give 110% to the club or the fans for that matter.

As Daveo has quite so eloquently put it, Wigan do not need to do anything!

Joel signed that contract and it was given to him by the club in good faith. If it was not acceptable a year ago, why did he sign it?

To attempt to force a move for pure financial gain, when you have already committed yourself to one deal is bordering on an illegal approach by the "interested party"

Why has Joel been allowed to hold any so called discussions with the RU when we are being informed that the stumbling block is compensation?

Surely the purchasing club must come up with enough financial benefits to force Wigan's hand to allow the player to talk not the other way around? Wigan should not have to accept "cap in hand" whatever is offered (if anything) just because A player is now "unhappy" after being illegally approached!

If Joel is left to rot in the reserves or another RL teams reserves because he feels he can renege on a contract then so be it. I don't care how unhappy he is there. I would be more concerned if this became the norm and then what sort of team would you all be left with?

Might be a tad cynical here but I doubt the good faith was on the side of the club. IL recognised that Joel and Sam are prize assets and took the usual precaution of protecting those assets. Assuming they were correctly advised at the time i.e. as to what their actual earning potential is, then it was an unselfish act on their part. If the union clubs come up with the right level of compensation, I'll bet there's no way will they be staying at Wigan, whether they want to or not.

josie andrews wrote:

thegimble wrote: They are spending win or lose. Just dont understand the mass hysteria re Joel going it is as Rugby Leagus is finsihed. Faz left, Robinson, Volcano, Hape etc we are still here and our support has gone up.

We ahve lost much better players than Joel and we are still here. RL will not go semi pro it makes enough to keep a full time pro league going. The cap needs to be restructured but wether they do it or not is another matter.

They went when their contracts were up & their RL careers almost over.

Totally agree Josie

The fact is this will increase , they have the money.We have the talent.
As\long as the salary cap shackles RL we are vunerable.
Why mainly Wigan players though?whos nextSAM JOSH etc
I am really worried,i can only see this getting worse.


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cpwigan wrote:

butt monkey wrote:

cpwigan wrote: :exc: Fans need to stop believing the bullshit players / club officials spout. The only loyalty players have is to themselves and their families (probably nothing wrong with that) so unless fans want to delude themselves they need to realise that their influence upon players is zero.

In which case the sooner RL players realise they are not dissimilar to Modrik or Tevez in attempting to force a club to negotiate against it's own wishes - the better!

Club officials know it happens and they are powerless to prevent it. All Wigan can do is either negotiate a fantastic financial compensation package which they are doing or let a player rot for X seasons whilst preventing the club from using the maximum salary cap.

DaveO wrote:

Fujiman wrote:

DaveO wrote: If Joel leaves then he will have rolled over. If he stays he won't have.

I hope it's the latter not just because it is Joel in particular but because of the message that sends out.

So you'd be happy stuck with a player who will clearly be upset and all the baggage that would come with it just to prove a point or rather than say a chairman who takes the wider view and has a plan b with maybe an able replacement?

There is no evidence of a plan b but even if there were I would quite happily put Joel on gardening leave for the next four years and take the hit of having an effective squad of 24 if he took his bat and ball home in order to show that contracts mean what they say. This is in my opinion taking the wider view.

jobo wrote:If the union clubs come up with the right level of compensation, I'll bet there's no way will they be staying at Wigan, whether they want to or not.

Fujiman wrote:

DaveO wrote:

Fujiman wrote:So you'd be happy stuck with a player who will clearly be upset and all the baggage that would come with it just to prove a point or rather than say a chairman who takes the wider view and has a plan b with maybe an able replacement?

There is no evidence of a plan b but even if there were I would quite happily put Joel on gardening leave for the next four years and take the hit of having an effective squad of 24 if he took his bat and ball home in order to show that contracts mean what they say. This is in my opinion taking the wider view.

you say no evidence of a plan b. IL has just come back from Aus. He may have been signing up Joels replacement

butt monkey wrote:so answer me this one question. If he was not happy with what he signed last season, why did he sign it?

This is NOT like simply changing jobs for better remuneration as you or I would do. This is about professional sport and the contracts that go hand-in-hand with it. A player cannot simply decide he wants more money elsewhere and ignore what he has already agreed (and is legally binding)

100% Warrior wrote:

butt monkey wrote:so answer me this one question. If he was not happy with what he signed last season, why did he sign it?

This is NOT like simply changing jobs for better remuneration as you or I would do. This is about professional sport and the contracts that go hand-in-hand with it. A player cannot simply decide he wants more money elsewhere and ignore what he has already agreed (and is legally binding)

It may not be right but especially in sport, contracts mean nothing. Players come and go, coaches & managers come and go. It's only supporters who commit themselves to a club for life unless you have someone of exceptional loyalty like Radlinski or Giggs in football.