Wandering Warrior wrote:Dave O
We are all entitled to vote for who we like and it's true that Tories and Tory voters are selfish by nature.
However does the behaviour of the leader of the opposition not display selfishness by pumping policies and clinging on to power that make labour unelectable and him look a complete plank?
Jeez they are all at it!
What a load of nonsense.
By all means argue against policy but at least argue on facts, not your prejudiced opinions!
Quite simply their policies reflect my own more than any other party.
- I believe in a smaller State rather than a larger one
- I believe in Indirect taxation rather than direct taxation (i.e. I would rather have more money in my pocket and it be ME who decides how to spend it rather than someone spending it "on my behalf").
- I believe that (overall) the Conservative foreign policy better looks after the UK.
You are a Conservative because you lack empathy. This is true of all Conservatives.
The proof is in what you say above. Indirect taxation such as VAT means the poor end up with a far higher percentage of their income going towards taxation. This is an indisputable fact. YOU would rather have money in your pocket and indirect taxation be the the way we tax because YOU have money. The fact those with little would end up with even less if we went the indirect taxation route clearly doesn't matter a jot to you. As I said no empathy.
It's a similar story with the smaller state thing. YOU think you can live without a larger state. Never mind contributing direct taxes that are spent to assist those who can't. Not your problem is it? A typical man mind thyself Tory attitude.
Maggie with her "There is no such thing as society" quote would have been proud of you.
Dave O, There's nothing worse than working class people who think that because they are a bit better off than others, have a trade or profession and think that makes them a true blue Conservative.
Spent a working life having to put up with their 'I'am all right Jack' attitude with no consideration for those less fortunate.
Too much petty snobbery in our Society today which has led to less community spirit like there used to be in years gone by.
There are quite a few things worse than those people. For example
1. People choosing the "I can't be bothered to work, I will live on the social and expect others to feed/house/clothe me"
2. Die hard "chip on the shoulder" lefties who blame the Tories for their own bad luck/lack of progress etc
Eleven pages on the state of the Labour Party and its leader, but not a thing about how the Conservative Party is split into two big factions of left and right.
A massive split which has resulted in the country no longer in the European Union as a result of the right wing Eurosceptic's getting their own way of having a referendum, and a Government not anticipating that the electorate would use the referendum as a protest against the failure of the Government to control the mass immigration into the country and the cuts being imposed on Councils which are affecting essential services.
Those who vote Conservative airing their frustration by attacking the Labour Party leader instead of facing the fact that it is their own Party and it's leadership who are to blame for the mess the country is now in as a result of it's bad management.
The problem is that thanks to Tory Tony and his cronies, we now no longer have a real alternative in Labour to that of the Conservatives as proved at the last General Election.
The fault lies within the present Parliamentary Labour Party which today consists of MP's who are out of touch with the people who vote for them and have now shown with the selection of a unknown like Smith how poor the party has become in the eyes of the electorate.
Whelley Warrior wrote:Eleven pages on the state of the Labour Party and its leader, but not a thing about how the Conservative Party is split into two big factions of left and right.
A massive split which has resulted in the country no longer in the European Union as a result of the right wing Eurosceptic's getting their own way of having a referendum, and a Government not anticipating that the electorate would use the referendum as a protest against the failure of the Government to control the mass immigration into the country and the cuts being imposed on Councils which are affecting essential services.
Those who vote Conservative airing their frustration by attacking the Labour Party leader instead of facing the fact that it is their own Party and it's leadership who are to blame for the mess the country is now in as a result of it's bad management.
The problem is that thanks to Tory Tony and his cronies, we now no longer have a real alternative in Labour to that of the Conservatives as proved at the last General Election.
The fault lies within the present Parliamentary Labour Party which today consists of MP's who are out of touch with the people who vote for them and have now shown with the selection of a unknown like Smith how poor the party has become in the eyes of the electorate.
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up World except for Lola!
When John Byrom plays on snow, he doesn't leave any footprints - Jimmy Armfield
Despite his working class background I think I read he had a big distrust of authority and disliked Labour's plastic socialism. He's certainly a one off, a bit like Corbyn, but he'd get my vote any day, unlike the latter despot.
When John Byrom plays on snow, he doesn't leave any footprints - Jimmy Armfield
I mentioned last week that a Labour sponsor had taken the party and its NEC to the High Court as he believed they had acted against their own rules by allowing Corbyn onto the ballot paper as he is the incumbent leader.
This sponsor's view is that he has to get 51 MP's and/or MEP's to back him, which he hasn't. He says the rule states that All prospective candidates in the election for a new leader should have the backing of 20% of the Parliamentary Party & MEP's.
The case was heard yesterday and the decision will be announced (Handed down) tomorrow, Thursday.
Will be great fun if the judgement is that he has to have the 20% or 51 and he hasn't a prayer of getting them.
