Respect

[waterside glens]

:eusa2: is right CP .i am not a christian, the only thing i take from the bible are the morals or "the ten comandments" as they are known.This does not make me a bad person.People have difference's of opinion all the time so what and as for the PC brigade they can take a hike or a ******* .
ps . please delete one of the above so as not to offend yourself by reading it

[trotski_tgwu]

:eusa2: is right CP .i am not a christian, the only thing i take from the bible are the morals or "the ten comandments" as they are known.This does not make me a bad person.People have difference's of opinion all the time so what and as for the PC brigade they can take a hike or a ******* .
ps . please delete one of the above so as not to offend yourself by reading it

Take one out? It will have to be the Ten Commandments bit then Glad i wasnt Drinking when i read that.

Ooooops forgot Drinking is not PC these days either.

Roll on Friday Sha na na na na na na na Binderrrrrrrrr

[highland convert]

Sorry if my morals offend you CP. If you read the papers you will see where I am coming from. Or are the drugs and murders knifecrime and bingedrinking a figment of my imagination.Is the constant running down of the team I support acceptable constuctive critisism. Is the fact that posters are disappearing of this board a fallacy. You say it is your right to stand up for what you believe. Is it wrong that I stand up for mine?
Jim

[cpwigan]

I am not offended in the slightest. Nor should you be if somebody disagrees with you. Unfortunately, you seem to be implying that whoever lives differently to you is somehow inferior and worse you seem to be throwing a blanket over everyone and inferring we are all exactly the same.

I find your views so incredibly contradictory to your complaints here. On the one hand everybody who does not live according to your ideals is subject to criticism but if we dare 'debate' sport and question our 'better' we deserve to be damned.

If it was up to me I would raise the legal age of drinking to 21 and likewise frequenting licenced establishments. However, I know that is never going to happen nor would I attack anybody who enjoys drinking alcohol. I do not drink because I prefer the taste of other drinks. I know plenty who do prefer alcohol and enjoy it without any serious affects on their life. What gives me or anybody else the right to impinge my views on those people.

I walk in every aspect of life and come across the full spectrum of society. There is no 'better' class of people. There are good and there are bad people. A lot of the individuals you pour scorn on are in that situation due to circumstances beyond their control. Often circumstances brought about by the actions of others. There are a minority who no matter what you do you cannot help.

Everybody that visits this site is a decent person just trying to discuss the fortunes of their favourite club in a sport. A pastime. They work hard and expect to be entertained. Sport is entertainment. A relief from the rigours of modern day society. We all want the same thing, we all have different ideas. Thats what makes it interesting.

I have my ideas, you have yours but please remember you, I and everybody else here are free to express how they think. The site is busier in 2008 than it has ever been. It has more posters. Maybe that take you out of your comfort zone but that is your perogative. Mine or your opinion is worth no less but no more than anybody else.

[cpwigan]

How you equate drugs and murders knifecrime and bingedrinking with the constant running down of a sports team stagger me Jim.

I work in the alcoholic capital of Great Britain (Blackpool) I work with the worst society has to offer. It bears no relation to somebody not being happy with Wigan RLFC.

[cpwigan]

Just to show you how silly your initial argument about CAPITALS is;

There is a thread in rumours MR LENNAGAN. I am guessing it is by a young poster. He used capitals because he wants to get a message, a good one to IL. There is not one post in that thread that is bad. Yet according to you it would/should be deemed disrespectful.

[josie andrews]

Just to show you how silly your initial argument about CAPITALS is;

There is a thread in rumours MR LENNAGAN. I am guessing it is by a young poster. He used capitals because he wants to get a message, a good one to IL. There is not one post in that thread that is bad. Yet according to you it would/should be deemed disrespectful.

I commented on this post being in all caps, asked the poster, jokingly, to stop shouting as I had a headache. He replied that it was to get Mr Lenegans attention if he came on this site.

[highland convert]

We obviously live in a different time zone and culture zone. What I see as disrespectful you accept as normal, What I see as trashing for trashing sake you put down as justifiable critisism. What I see as undermining the coach and team you see as justifiable critisism. What I see as destroying this site you see as an improvement. What I see as bullying members off this site you see as winning the argument. What I see as over the top slating of people in authority you see an afront to your civil liberties. I take it the gulf is too wide to span and not worth the hastle. Maybe someone will start a new site where the values I and the others who no longer or rarely post have can go to discuss WW in a friendly an positive manner.
Jim

[cpwigan]

Who are these people you speak for? You are perfectly entitled to create your own forum.

[Sutty]

We obviously live in a different time zone and culture zone. What I see as disrespectful you accept as normal, What I see as trashing for trashing sake you put down as justifiable critisism. What I see as undermining the coach and team you see as justifiable critisism. What I see as destroying this site you see as an improvement. What I see as bullying members off this site you see as winning the argument. What I see as over the top slating of people in authority you see an afront to your civil liberties. I take it the gulf is too wide to span and not worth the hastle. Maybe someone will start a new site where the values I and the others who no longer or rarely post have can go to discuss WW in a friendly an positive manner.
Jim

I understand what you mean about certain posters on here having a seemingly "blinkered" point of view, who refuse to accept that there are other factors which may be considered in their arguments. I also understand how you may have formed the opinion that people are "trashing" individuals within the coaching setup of the club, just for the sake of it. However if you read the comments regarding these two subjects you may see that a lot of the points are put across in well a well constructed and pretty well educated (on the subject of RL) manner. Just because some posters either refuse to see things from a different point of view, or will not accept someone elses opinion, doesn't necessarily mean that they are trashing people, or bullying people from the site. It is a debate, there is always going to be difference of opinion, that is the basis of a debate, after all.

The only person who I could consider to have been bullied on this site is Turf, and that is largely due to the fact that he posted ridiculous stories on here and whilst some of the posters were mature enough to rise above his claims and sensibly question his motives, others were maybe a little less mature and resorted to name calling etc. That is now, however, largely, water under the bridge.

I would say that 85% of what is posted on here is done so in a mature manner, and it is only the odd few posters who, for whatever reason, cannot put their point across without it seeming aggresive or arrogant.

Almost all the users of this site enjoy coming on here and I have not seen any evidence of this site being "destroyed".

What all this has got to do with respecting how we title threads on here regarding Ian Lenegan, I have little idea. I have not read anything where Mr Lenegan has been called names, I agree that he is new to the job and that maybe he should command a certain respect. On the other hand, he has to earn the respect of the fans first and foremost and this is something that I am sure he will do in the coming years. His financial or professional position prior to him buying our club has nothing whatsoever to do with the fans respect for him as Chairman of our great and beloved club.

We all have faults, instead of claiming the moral high ground, maybe you could try and be a little more broad minded and understanding in what some people post on here. Not everyone on here is as literate as others.

I totally agree with your sentiments regarding a certain yob or gang culture which is seemingly sweeping the country at the moment, personally I think National Service would sort the little blighters (had to censor that ) out. I'm all for corporal punishment in some cases, even capital punishment in the worst cases, although I know there are far too many uncertanties involved in that. However these are for a different debate on another day.