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It's not polite to be negative about the team that wins but apart from their attitude and effort Wakefield were nothing special. As bad as we played we could have even snatched a victory (in a way I was glad we did not)

CP it's not the fact that we lost, it's the manner in which we lost. We are devoid of ideas, our game plan was non existent and the players were not motivated. There is only one guy who can take the blame and the same guy can fix it. It will be interesting to see if he makes any changes for the trip to Hull.

The brand of rugby that is served up at Wigan is dreadful and certainly not what is expected by Wiganers.

I think that Nobby will survive the season but it will be his last!

I full agree and it is not a 1 off. It is a recurring pattern. I may be wrong but I think a dammning statistic re The Noble era is that we have never won 3 (may be 4) consecutive games.

If Brian Noble leaves,(either voluntary or by force) then so be it. He picks the team every week and he believes those players are the best we have, so he must take some responsibility. But surely when the players are on the pitch they need a leader. O'loughlin is a great player, but in my opinion, a leader he is not. Time after time other players seem to be taking over the responsibility of directing play and actually talking to the players after a try is scored. Surely we need a voice on the pitch as well as one off it.

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outback wiganer wrote:If Brian Noble leaves,(either voluntary or by force) then so be it. He picks the team every week and he believes those players are the best we have, so he must take some responsibility. But surely when the players are on the pitch they need a leader. O'loughlin is a great player, but in my opinion, a leader he is not. Time after time other players seem to be taking over the responsibility of directing play and actually talking to the players after a try is scored. Surely we need a voice on the pitch as well as one off it.

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No matter how he shouts or leads if the game plan is so out dated and poor it will not matter . Barrett took the role on last year when Lockers got injured we still endured some bad performances and we won nothing ??
Faz won a few things as captain but he had a much better team around him and within the team leaders Lam, Newton,Rads the list goes on the team had a core of good players in key positions that played together for a good few years.
The fact is we have no spine in the team!! just look who are our leaders? who play in key roles Mathers, Smith, Lulu, Ridell the jury's out on most of them ie they are all quite new to the club as for Mathers sorry but he is just not good enough. Look at Saints ....Cunningham , Long, Wellens, Sculthorpe and now Pryce and Roby have been the backbone of that team for so long, they also have a far superior game going forward, I think we have not been player wise that far behind but their key players, coaching is years ahead and the core of the team as been the same (although coming to an end for a few ).
Leeds again the spine of the team is so much better in terms of years spent and leaders , we can win games but seem to come unstuck when it matters most .
Would you say Sinfield at Leeds is a good captain ? I think Lockers is just as good but does not have the other leaders around him or the game plan in place to help at Leeds key players Webb, Burrows, Maguire, Peacock, Sinfield .
It's an easy call to say Lckers is not a good captain, my money would be on him winning just as much as any of the above with the team and coach in place to help him.

we have been so called re-building since noble took over,granted when he came in and we avoided going down he had to get on with the players he inherited,so fair enough it would be the end of the following season before he had the chance to put his stamp on the team.but i now look at the team that he put out on sunday and the quality of players he has let go compaired to the players that have come in, and i think that the squad it weaker than the season we nearly went down.sunday was like watching the same old style of rugby we have played since noble took over,and then has the nerve to say we payed the price for playing a to expancive style of rugby on sunday,i am sorry but i was boared to tears and don't think we had a set move in us,and was trying to think if any of the players that played on sunday could actully go the full length of the pitch(or even half)if we got the chance and couldn't think of one.so noble must now change direction or get out because all this re-building crap is wearing really thin.i still want to know whose decision it was to get shut of micky higham because on piggys first showing they want there backsides kicking.

Noble is a good coach he proved that at Bradford Bulls making them one of the best teams in Super League and he is still the most successful coach in Super League at the moment. Even at Wigan he has been progressing every season 8th, 6th and 4th finish show that as well as only just missing out on the Grand Final by one game.

I'm not sure if Noble can be successful at Wigan though. He is only bothered about the league in September which doesn't help Wigan when it comes to the play-offs and doesn't provide much entertainment during the regular season. His type of rugby is quite boring, very predictable and he still isn't able to get 100% out of all the players.

Noble needs to make sure the team is taking advantage of every players best qualities something no coach has done at Wigan since Mike Gregory was in charge.

Can we get away from the idea that we have improved year on year under BN ?

Granted, last year we finished higher than the year before, but we didn't have 6 points deducted - we lost more games, scored fewer points and conceded more points than in 2007.

But the point really is that we have been under the 'Messiah's' leadership now for nearly three years, and we are playing the same old crap as ever.

I got crucified on this forum when I dared to say that BN was not the answer before we signed him, but I've seen nothing in the last three years to persuade me otherwise.He has no ideas, no judgement on players or selection, and apparently no concept of what's really happening to the team under him.

I've got no animosity for the man himself - I'm sure he works hard and gives his all, but it's not good enough in 2009. We need to wake up, and take off the rose tinted specs in some cases, and realise that sentimentality and blind allegiance to a 'nice bloke' is making us the laughing stock of Superleague.

noble was great at bradford where he had a massive pack of forwards who steam rolled over almost every one,and set the platform for a set of quality backs to finish things off,but he is trying still to play that way at wigan and we are not big enough in the forwards or good enough in the backs to play that way so why oh why do we still plough a usless furrow down the middle of the pitch.we have to adopt a different way to play or i fear we will get some good hideings this season because other teams are improving and buying better than us.

Brian Noble is hardly likely to tell the truth and come up with a statement along the lines of:

" Phew, this is hard work. I've got some players I want, some that I'm saddled with and some that are stop-gap replacements that aren't really up to it. The new owner is a pin in thre a**e and dealing with him is another job I don't need. Then to top it off the lot of the players can't get along and I spend half my time managing in fighting and bickering amongst the lot of them. If they could behave like professionals I'd be alright."

But he won't and nor should he.

I don't understand why anybody pays any heed to a word that is written in the WEP as part of the clubs media machine press releases. It's all a crock and should be viewed as such.