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CPW. Pity you aren't made of chocolate. You would undoubtedly have eaten yourself by now!! :eusa13:

When you are as good as I am KW then perfection isn't far away

cpwigan wrote:Down to IFL making an excellent decision whether he listened to fans or not. The man got it right in the face of the usual suspects criticising him from within the game. Therein I feel some affinity.

I seem to remember you were one of those critical of IL at the time!!

Re-read some of your old posts/threads before the "holier than thou" attitude. No-one denies the need for change, just the people responsible for bringing it about.

butt monkey wrote:

cpwigan wrote:Down to IFL making an excellent decision whether he listened to fans or not. The man got it right in the face of the usual suspects criticising him from within the game. Therein I feel some affinity.

I seem to remember you were one of those critical of IL at the time!!

Re-read some of your old posts/threads before the "holier than thou" attitude. No-one denies the need for change, just the people responsible for bringing it about.

I seem to remember you once gave an opinion about rugby rather than criticising CP at every opportunity, It was a long time ago but an elephant never forgets.

BM we are not Leopards, we can assess a person and see good and bad things that they do and change our opinions about said person. Never fixate upon a person or hold a view without due consideration that the person concerned is a dynamic force. Hence you can change your opinion re IFL from decision by decision. My opinion of you changes post by post. Everybody gets it wrong, sometimes even me. Some people get it more wrong than right, it is nothing to be ashamed of BM.

gpartin wrote:

butt monkey wrote:

cpwigan wrote:Down to IFL making an excellent decision whether he listened to fans or not. The man got it right in the face of the usual suspects criticising him from within the game. Therein I feel some affinity.

I seem to remember you were one of those critical of IL at the time!!

Re-read some of your old posts/threads before the "holier than thou" attitude. No-one denies the need for change, just the people responsible for bringing it about.

I seem to remember you once gave an opinion about rugby rather than criticising CP at every opportunity, It was a long time ago but an elephant never forgets.

The posts was not intended as CP "bashing", just a reference that was made to place the start of the thread into last years context (everyone's perceived thoughts on where IL was taking the club)

Besides, I think it is also "fair enough" for me to state as fact, that I hardly posted on here for the most of the second half of last season. I wondered why your missus called you "elephant" now I know why!

cpwigan wrote:BM we are not Leopards, we can assess a person and see good and bad things that they do and change our opinions about said person. Never fixate upon a person or hold a view without due consideration that the person concerned is a dynamic force. Hence you can change your opinion re IFL from decision by decision. My opinion of you changes post by post. Everybody gets it wrong, sometimes even me. Some people get it more wrong than right, it is nothing to be ashamed of BM.

Fair enough, I do agree that fans are allowed to change their opinions, otherwise what is the point of discussion. It is a credit to those that admit they were wrong/mistaken rather than those who blindly refuse the obvious (and we know who those are)

There really does appear to be a posititive attitude from you (and most - including me) to decide to reasses players who were part of number of players who were constantly derided and scrutinized last season. Especially with the critisism of the standard of coaching/training at that time. To the point that questions do need asking about how much of Noble's tenure of the club might have damaged/stagnated players careers.

My only concern about some players is the "out of contract" effect. Those who are playing for new contracts and those who are really improving under the expert tutelage.

No Mate I've got a memory like a sieve. She calls me elephant because of the shipment of pies I get sent on a weekly basis. You can take a man out of Wigan and all that

BriH wrote:Even though I think your letter was a bit OTT, CPWigan, I do endorse, absolutely, your passion for Wigan RL.
After the debacle of losing away to Celtic Crusaders I wrote to IL imploring him to "fix it" before it was too late.
As events have shown, IL did indeed "fix it" and we now have the same team that is unrecognisable to the one of last, and previous seasons.
Could it remotely be down to the change of Coach? I will leave that one to you dear readers!

Not a Cumbrian sitting on the fence surely Bri?
Its not like us Cumbrians to do that.