Bring back Maurice.TrueBlueWarrior wrote:If the RFL made the right decisions about moving us forward as a RL nation and a Coach was in charge that picked players on form and merit and it made us competitive then they could have as many Wigan players as they wanted. While it is currently like it is then I don't want any involved and even more so in the Exile squad.platt-warrior wrote:Would you still be glad to see 8/9 player's in the England squad,if the RFL and coach were more to your liking?
DaveO wrote:exile in Tiger country wrote:Why would we have to put up with it? This is not Yawnion where the national body have some say because they pay part of the wages. The RFL have no right to say which players have to be available to the international side. The players are contracted to their club, and only their club.
If Wigan decide not to allow any players play international games, nothing could be done about it.No I think Faz went for a massive pay cheque, and because his body was too knackered to play Rugby League.That will never happen because you are forgetting the players will also want to represent their country and test themselves v the Aussies and Kiwi's. If you want the likes of Sam to leave, stop them playing Internationals. Do you think Faz went to yawnion to play club rugby?
It's easy, enforce contracts, if the player wants to play for England, make sure the player has adequate insurance to compensate the club should they be injured playing for a team that they are not contracted too. Make the RFL pay for all treatment and rehab. Exempt clubs immediately from all payments to the player until that player is fit enough to play again for his club, allow teams to bring in replacements outside the cap..The problem with the Exiles game is the same as playoffs. The idea they are more intense, like state of origin so we will be better prepared is not really true in my opinion (too far away form the actual Internationals) so the games serve no purpose. In this sense we are trying to mimic the Aussies and hoping doing so in the way we are will improve standards here. It's rubbish IMO because the reason SoO is so good is because the standard of club RL in Oz is already so high, not the other way around.
What used to happen is touring sides played club sides warm up for test matches so you didn't need false games like these exciles ones.
But the Exciles games aside International RL is still very important for the reasons I stated
If English RL was important as an international game, the RFL would do away with extraneous games like the "Magic" nonsense, and, even the Challenge cup.
Our lads are knackered after playing the number of games they do in a season and the sooner we realise it, the better.
The Aussies play far fewer games than the English, and that may be a reason they are so dominant internationally.
exile in Tiger country wrote:Completely disagree. International RU is THE big attraction. Faz was on a big contract here worth £1m over six years and while he will have no doubt earned more anyway in RU the big attraction would have been the International scene. In any case being an International Ru player nets you even more money and of course fame - far more than being a rugby league player.DaveO wrote:exile in Tiger country wrote:Why would we have to put up with it? This is not Yawnion where the national body have some say because they pay part of the wages. The RFL have no right to say which players have to be available to the international side. The players are contracted to their club, and only their club.
If Wigan decide not to allow any players play international games, nothing could be done about it.No I think Faz went for a massive pay cheque, and because his body was too knackered to play Rugby League.That will never happen because you are forgetting the players will also want to represent their country and test themselves v the Aussies and Kiwi's. If you want the likes of Sam to leave, stop them playing Internationals. Do you think Faz went to yawnion to play club rugby?
I don't think the draw if the International RU game can be overstated.
But it just doesn't work like that does it. Players get picked to play Internationals and they play them. They are proud to do so as well. This exiles game though is not an International which is why I object to this game but not genuine International fixtures.It's easy, enforce contracts, if the player wants to play for England, make sure the player has adequate insurance to compensate the club should they be injured playing for a team that they are not contracted too. Make the RFL pay for all treatment and rehab. Exempt clubs immediately from all payments to the player until that player is fit enough to play again for his club, allow teams to bring in replacements outside the cap.
The challenge cup has existed right through periods of time when the commitment to International RL was far greater than it is now when GB went on proper tours and the Aussies came here doing likewise. The idea they would have to or should do away with the cup because we decided to take internationals more seriously again is just plain daft.If English RL was important as an international game, the RFL would do away with extraneous games like the "Magic" nonsense, and, even the Challenge cup.
Our lads are knackered after playing the number of games they do in a season and the sooner we realise it, the better.
The Aussies play far fewer games than the English, and that may be a reason they are so dominant internationally.
We don't need the magic extra game whether we have internationals or not. It distorts the league and means we end up playing Saints too often. It's a stupid concept in its own right IMO.
Surely we could withhold our players from the 2nd "Exiles" game if it means they are playing these three fixtures in a week?Hanley the God! wrote:I don't think the first Exiles game is the problem.
BUT, I think I'm right in saying that the second game is midweek, very soon after we have played Widnes (dictated by Sky) on Monday, followed by Bradford on the Friday.
Oh .... and guess what .... closely followed by the CC semi-final v Red Hall (sorry Leeds!)
Perhaps McNamara, Hetherington and Red Hall will chose all 17 Wigan players to take part in that one !
Let's be honest .... it's the only anybody will stop us winning all 3 trophies!
