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Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:30 pm
by AdamMac
Absolutely spot on cp, agree with every point made.
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:38 am
by Owd Codger
Some should remember the killings of unharmed Police Officers before they start defending the shooting of a scum bag who would have no hesitation in firing a gun at them or the Police.
With the present level of vicious crime involving guns, its now time that all our Police were armed like they are in all the other European countries where I have travelled.
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:51 am
by cpwigan
Said scumbag knew he was being followed well before the stop (mobile phone conversations) and never started shooting, never drew a gun, never took it out the box (if it was in) - according to Taxi driver who he was happily chatting to.
Very few police officers are killed in the line of duty, hardly any by genuine crimnals moreso deranged lunatics. There is no evidence that all police officers carrying weapons would reduce police deaths, arguably the contrary.
A rogue police officer is probably worse than a scumbag, certainly to genuine police officers.
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:21 pm
by Kittwazzer
cpwigan wrote:
Very few police officers are killed in the line of duty, hardly any by genuine crimnals moreso deranged lunatics.
One is one too many. Every working person has a right to return home at the end of a shift. Something Fiona and Nicola never got to do!
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:25 pm
by Owd Codger
cpwigan wrote:Said scumbag knew he was being followed well before the stop (mobile phone conversations) and never started shooting, never drew a gun, never took it out the box (if it was in) - according to Taxi driver who he was happily chatting to.
Very few police officers are killed in the line of duty, hardly any by genuine crimnals moreso deranged lunatics. There is no evidence that all police officers carrying weapons would reduce police deaths, arguably the contrary.
A rogue police officer is probably worse than a scumbag, certainly to genuine police officers.
Since 1900, 245 Police Officers have been killed in the line of duty, of which 70 were shot and the majority by criminals and not lunatic's as you seemed to think.
The figures do not include Police Officers killed in Northern Ireland where it is political.
How can you claim that very few are killed in the line of duty, especially when the vast majority today are unharmed except for a CS gas cylinder and a baton.
Yes, there are rogue Police Officers, but they are in a small minority in comparison to the number of vicious criminal scumbags we have in our country.
No wonder gun crime is on the increase when we have so few deterrents to deter it, be it armed police, stiffer prison sentences or the even a death penalty
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:16 pm
by cpwigan
The murder of a police officer on duty is still a relatively rare event, though there have already been three murders this year and more than 50 over the past half century. None the less, armed patrols are now commonplace at public buildings such as the Palace of Westminster, or transport hubs such as Heathrow Airport. Armed foot patrols are deployed in areas where gun crime is rife and armed response vehicles are used by most forces.
This is the unavoidable response to a society in which criminals more readily resort to weapons, and terrorism is an ever-present threat. But these officers are deployed as and when needed. Few want a routinely armed force, not even those in the front line. A Police Federation survey several years ago showed only 22 per cent of rank and file officers were in favour of routine arming, though 80 per cent wanted more to be trained and issued with guns.
As Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said yesterday: “Guns don’t necessarily solve the problem. The clear view of the British police service from top to bottom is we don’t want to be armed.” Most police officers know that, if they carried a gun, it would not necessarily save their lives. In America each year, a dozen officers are killed with their own weapons. Passers-by can also be hurt or killed: in a shoot-out recently in Manhattan, police killed a gunman but also wounded nine innocent onlookers.
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:21 pm
by cpwigan
Kittwazzer wrote:cpwigan wrote:
Very few police officers are killed in the line of duty, hardly any by genuine crimnals moreso deranged lunatics.
One is one too many. Every working person has a right to return home at the end of a shift. Something Fiona and Nicola never got to do!
Hospital staff are regularly assaulted, Teachers are assaulted. Less than a week ago a drunken woman from Wigan verbally abused and bit police in Wigan!
http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/dr ... 1-6359147
Should that woman be shot dead for biting police officers, for being from Worsley Mesnes (as all Mesners are scum in many eyes)?
Our soldiers get killed in far greater numbers, do we never deploy soldiers in future, those soldiers are armed yet still killed?
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:24 pm
by cpwigan
In ANY / EVERY organisation there is far more corruption and lies than we care to accept. Whistle blowers are treated as scum of the earth / worse than criminals for telling the truth. Go figure :conf:
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:30 pm
by devon jim 1
Regarding your recent posts re- the above. I can see where you are coming from and I would find it difficult to rationally disagree BUT despite this If I found myself in the same situation has the policeman I would have shot the bloke for the same reasons I would have shot the terrorist one of our marines is now facing jailfor killing in the Middle East. I'm not a scum bag just an ordinary Joe going about my life injuring nobody.Just like the policeman and our soldiers would do unmolested.I also must say I have the same feelings has Whelley Warrior
Re: The Mark Duggan Case?
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:55 pm
by cpwigan
Why would you need to shoot an unarmed man though Jim?
This is not aimed at you BUT why do persons always presume people in positions of authority are acting honestly and with great integrity when our own / historical experiences tell us otherwise.
The attitude persons belonging to X group can do no wrong is part of the reason child abuse existed for so so long in the Catholic Church, in Care Homes, in the world of celebrity.
I will say again corruption has existed in every organisation for as long as one can remember and at all levels YET we ignore it at our / societys peril.
There have been plenty of times when it was hard to differentiated between a criminal and a police officer. I went to University alongside one of the following police officers.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/seven ... 63804.html
That person was a Londoner, serving in the met as a person I enjoyed his company but was he incredibly honest beyond reproach, not a chance.