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OAMJSS wrote:

menpond wrote:Saints Wigan was massive in the 50s,20,000 per side. There were massive punch ups .but no deaths, continuously.Bit like football in recent times,but now on much smaller numbers. 50 YEARS LATER, we need the keep the rivalry going,but not the lunacy bordering on bigotory of some elements of either side.The public declarations by Wigans management ,of continuing claiming WE HATE ST HELENS sounds like something from lord of the rings, and we know whatTolkein was warning about.The Flower incident serves Wigan right.IL needs to exercise some authority ,not inane platitudes,ie we are all in this together.First thing ,get Radders to talk to the press.Second Set some priorities, and husband resources accordingly.Tell the fans it was a poor year, and I,IL, have told the management It was not acceptable to me. Come On Wigan.

The words Pie Eaters was instigated in the early 1920s miners strike , Stains miners called Wigan miners the name because they broke the strike ( one main reason being children where actually starving )so they had to 'eat umble pie'.


i for one will always hate Stains and not just for Rugby reasons i will leave it there

In that particular strike, the St Helens miners went back on their word and joined the strike very late on. By that time, as you say, hunger drove the Wigan miners back in for less money and longer hours.

Oh for the good old days of rickets, malnutrition, no health service etc

jobo wrote:

OAMJSS wrote:

menpond wrote:Saints Wigan was massive in the 50s,20,000 per side. There were massive punch ups .but no deaths, continuously.Bit like football in recent times,but now on much smaller numbers. 50 YEARS LATER, we need the keep the rivalry going,but not the lunacy bordering on bigotory of some elements of either side.The public declarations by Wigans management ,of continuing claiming WE HATE ST HELENS sounds like something from lord of the rings, and we know whatTolkein was warning about.The Flower incident serves Wigan right.IL needs to exercise some authority ,not inane platitudes,ie we are all in this together.First thing ,get Radders to talk to the press.Second Set some priorities, and husband resources accordingly.Tell the fans it was a poor year, and I,IL, have told the management It was not acceptable to me. Come On Wigan.

The words Pie Eaters was instigated in the early 1920s miners strike , Stains miners called Wigan miners the name because they broke the strike ( one main reason being children where actually starving )so they had to 'eat umble pie'.


i for one will always hate Stains and not just for Rugby reasons i will leave it there

In that particular strike, the St Helens miners went back on their word and joined the strike very late on. By that time, as you say, hunger drove the Wigan miners back in for less money and longer hours.

Oh for the good old days of rickets, malnutrition, no health service etc

Jobo, you forgot to also mention the real poverty which some today think they have and no benefit system to help them in those terrible times.

p.s. and for the record, the most abuse about the Wigan miners going back in fact came from the Lobby Gobblers.

Whelley Warrior wrote:

jobo wrote:

OAMJSS wrote:
The words Pie Eaters was instigated in the early 1920s miners strike , Stains miners called Wigan miners the name because they broke the strike ( one main reason being children where actually starving )so they had to 'eat umble pie'.


i for one will always hate Stains and not just for Rugby reasons i will leave it there

In that particular strike, the St Helens miners went back on their word and joined the strike very late on. By that time, as you say, hunger drove the Wigan miners back in for less money and longer hours.

Oh for the good old days of rickets, malnutrition, no health service etc

Jobo, you forgot to also mention the real poverty which some today think they have and no benefit system to help them in those terrible times.

p.s. and for the record, the most abuse about the Wigan miners going back in fact came from the Lobby Gobblers.

Poverty is relative to the times you live in. It existed in the past, just as it exists in the present.

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Origin of term "Pie Eaters".

I find it sad that the myth about "Pie Eaters" origins has become accepted by so many Wiganers.
If you think about it, it makes no sense. I can readily accept that Leythers or St Heliners (or both) used the "Humble Pie Eaters" epithet at the time of a return to work - but that doesn't make it the origin of the term.

Think about it: Leythers are "Lobby Gobblers", Liverpudlians are "Scousers". Where do these terms originate? In the names used in those places for what is commonly known as "Lancashire Hot Pot" ("Lobbies" and "Lob Scouse"). Isn't it therefore much more credible that Wiganers were "Pie Eaters" simply because we eat "Meyt and Prater Pie"? The pre-existing name would then be adapted to a term of abuse - "Humble Pie Eaters, more like" I can hear a rival saying.

I don't have proof for this, but quoting what Wikipedia or some website claims doesn't prove the case for the Humble Pie version either. I'll be interested to see if anyone can come up with any evidence either way - these oral folk history things are often not written/printed until years after their origin.

I have no idea which is valid but I was brought up with the humble pie strike version.

cpwigan wrote:I have no idea which is valid but I was brought up with the humble pie strike version.

... and it may be right, cp. I'm def not looking for an argument, or trying to prove anybody "wrong" here. I just have a strong suspicion that a story started by our "enemies" has become commonly accepted when it isn't/may not be true.

In my childhood (1950s) my grandad, a pitmon from Hindley, called it "Meyt and Prater Pie" whilst my step-grandmother, with Leigh roots, always gave us "Lobbies". If he'd eaten when we went to their house, he's say "Sit thee deawn, ah'll do beawt wi thee!", a bit like the bloke with an empty glass being asked "Ar't suppin beawt?"

Very true and although a tag may have its origins elsewhere it could then be used for very different reasons. Generally, if you ask non Wiganers why Wiganers are called pie eaters the obvious / accepted right or wrong assumption is that Wiganers eat a lot of pies and that there are lots of pie shops in Wigan.

Ultimately, 'tags' become almost urban myth like.

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