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I don't think the players are gutless.
They made over 400 tackles in the Wire game, some absolute bruisers.
Nor do I think the players are clueless, nor is the coach.

We have a game plan and it has to be aheared to or else there appears, through rumours, to be disciplinary matters at the training ground.

If the players are out there and the gameplan isn't working then there's nothing they can do about it. The coaches have to change it around during the game and it is entirely up to them. If the players take on Waney they'll lose in every respect.

Like many I was at the HJ last Thursday and at the Salford game two weeks earlier. Which was worse for handling errors I don't know but both were awful.

If we want an improvement then IL and the BOD have to get Waney in and tell him where we are and ask him for his guarantee we will make the top four come the split and top two end of season. They also have to ask him why our away form is so utterly dreadful and what changes is he going to make to improve performances and results away from home.

The players are accountable, to Shaun Wane.
Shaun Wane is accountable to the Chairman and BOD.
If the BOD want improvement and trophies then they have to demand improvments to our away results.
If we continue with this dreadful away form then no Old Trafford and no Trophies.

This is a management matter as much as a coaching and playing problem and it has to be sorted immediately.

Wiganer Ted wrote:I don't think the players are gutless.
They made over 400 tackles in the Wire game, some absolute bruisers.
Nor do I think the players are clueless, nor is the coach.

We have a game plan and it has to be aheared to or else there appears, through rumours, to be disciplinary matters at the training ground.

If the players are out there and the gameplan isn't working then there's nothing they can do about it. The coaches have to change it around during the game and it is entirely up to them. If the players take on Waney they'll lose in every respect.

Like many I was at the HJ last Thursday and at the Salford game two weeks earlier. Which was worse for handling errors I don't know but both were awful.

If we want an improvement then IL and the BOD have to get Waney in and tell him where we are and ask him for his guarantee we will make the top four come the split and top two end of season. They also have to ask him why our away form is so utterly dreadful and what changes is he going to make to improve performances and results away from home.

The players are accountable, to Shaun Wane.
Shaun Wane is accountable to the Chairman and BOD.
If the BOD want improvement and trophies then they have to demand improvments to our away results.
If we continue with this dreadful away form then no Old Trafford and no Trophies.

This is a management matter as much as a coaching and playing problem and it has to be sorted immediately.

Yes it is. I don't see your point though mate.

RE Larne Patrick. I would actually start with him but unlike others who want him out wide, I actually think if you run the right plays in and around the POTB with his superior forward speed / step you would win the floor and getting a fast POTB.

The problem is Waneball, it makes good players look bad, they even slog their guts out trying to make it work. More and more fans see it bar WW.

Imo Patrick isn't good enough.

A very strange signing.

Who is BOD!

I would guess BOD is Board Of Directors ?

I wonder where KR fits into the grand scheme of things , he tries to get the right players in place , but what when the season has started-he is on the BOD , but is he too close to Wane to suggest a change ?

Wintergreen wrote:Imo Patrick isn't good enough.

A very strange signing.

Possibly / possibly not but that would seem to apply every forward who plays under Waneball.

cpwigan wrote:RE Larne Patrick. I would actually start with him but unlike others who want him out wide, I actually think if you run the right plays in and around the POTB with his superior forward speed / step you would win the floor and getting a fast POTB.

The problem is Waneball, it makes good players look bad, they even slog their guts out trying to make it work. More and more fans see it bar WW.

Not been impressed with Patrick at all to be honest.

gruffy wrote:

cpwigan wrote:RE Larne Patrick. I would actually start with him but unlike others who want him out wide, I actually think if you run the right plays in and around the POTB with his superior forward speed / step you would win the floor and getting a fast POTB.

The problem is Waneball, it makes good players look bad, they even slog their guts out trying to make it work. More and more fans see it bar WW.

Not been impressed with Patrick at all to be honest.

I can totally understand that but that could apply to every forward bar Mac v Wire could it not? and for most of the season.

The worst part IMO is those forward actually work incredibly hard playing a stupid game plan and keep the scorelines respectable and damage their bodies. The players may as well play with their hands tied, even legs tied.

cpwigan wrote:RE Larne Patrick. I would actually start with him but unlike others who want him out wide, I actually think if you run the right plays in and around the POTB with his superior forward speed / step you would win the floor and getting a fast POTB.

The problem is Waneball, it makes good players look bad, they even slog their guts out trying to make it work. More and more fans see it bar WW.

Why pick on me when others have made comments about your opinion of Wane.

Made it clear on a couple of occasions that I would prefer the club to have a top Coach from down under, but for some reason some prefer to ignore that opinion and assume otherwise.

Only ever said that I am fed up of reading your personal grudge against Wane which in my opinion is based on something other than his Coaching!