Wigan young player developement

[nathan_rugby]

Don't rate Wane one bit and I find our player development isn't even that good considering the amount of investment we have and the amount of opportunities we give the players.

We messed around with Jack Murphy for years. Can't work out what is going to happen with Connor Farrell, Rhodri Lloyd we hung on to for far too long, messed around with Jack Hughes playing him on the wrong 2nd row side and then a year at centre.

We haven't really given Sutton much opportunity, but we gave Greenwood so many when he was never going to make it.

The problem Wigan have is we are relying too much on young players that are not good enough and are trying too hard to be almost all English.

Then you look at our quota players - Gelling, Tuatai, Isa - It just isn't good enough.

[Andrew0604]

Since Bennett has been announced as England coach I have watched quite a number of interviews with him. 2 things have stood out. Firstly he expects his players to give their absolute best for each other every single week. Secondly and to me most importantly, he looks at the skills of his players and sets his tactics to utilise those skills to their maximum effect.
Our approach seems to be the opposite direction, we have a game plan and the players are being coached in to performing that plan. There can be no disputing Rocky has a set of skills that have made him shine at all previous levels but at senior level he has been pushed to conform to the role that fits the plan. He is not the only one, last season Bateman played at centre for most of the year when he has clearly expressed his preference is to be involved in the middle. Surely a coaching staff responsibility is to take skills and hone them to perfection, not to put them to one side and try to teach new ones

[TrueBlueWarrior]

Don't rate Wane one bit and I find our player development isn't even that good considering the amount of investment we have and the amount of opportunities we give the players.

We messed around with Jack Murphy for years. Can't work out what is going to happen with Connor Farrell, Rhodri Lloyd we hung on to for far too long, messed around with Jack Hughes playing him on the wrong 2nd row side and then a year at centre.

We haven't really given Sutton much opportunity, but we gave Greenwood so many when he was never going to make it.

The problem Wigan have is we are relying too much on young players that are not good enough and are trying too hard to be almost all English.

Then you look at our quota players - Gelling, Tuatai, Isa - It just isn't good enough.

S Tomkins, Charnley, Manfredi, Williams, Crosby, MM, Mossop, J Tomkins, Farrell, SOL, Burgess, potentially Gildart, Powell, Sutton, Hampshire!! Not to bad some of them!!

[nathan_rugby]

Don't rate Wane one bit and I find our player development isn't even that good considering the amount of investment we have and the amount of opportunities we give the players.

We messed around with Jack Murphy for years. Can't work out what is going to happen with Connor Farrell, Rhodri Lloyd we hung on to for far too long, messed around with Jack Hughes playing him on the wrong 2nd row side and then a year at centre.

We haven't really given Sutton much opportunity, but we gave Greenwood so many when he was never going to make it.

The problem Wigan have is we are relying too much on young players that are not good enough and are trying too hard to be almost all English.

Then you look at our quota players - Gelling, Tuatai, Isa - It just isn't good enough.

S Tomkins, Charnley, Manfredi, Williams, Crosby, MM, Mossop, J Tomkins, Farrell, SOL, Burgess, potentially Gildart, Powell, Sutton, Hampshire!! Not to bad some of them!!

And how many Grand Finals and CC have we won since the start of Super League?

[TrueBlueWarrior]

Don't rate Wane one bit and I find our player development isn't even that good considering the amount of investment we have and the amount of opportunities we give the players.

We messed around with Jack Murphy for years. Can't work out what is going to happen with Connor Farrell, Rhodri Lloyd we hung on to for far too long, messed around with Jack Hughes playing him on the wrong 2nd row side and then a year at centre.

We haven't really given Sutton much opportunity, but we gave Greenwood so many when he was never going to make it.

The problem Wigan have is we are relying too much on young players that are not good enough and are trying too hard to be almost all English.

Then you look at our quota players - Gelling, Tuatai, Isa - It just isn't good enough.

S Tomkins, Charnley, Manfredi, Williams, Crosby, MM, Mossop, J Tomkins, Farrell, SOL, Burgess, potentially Gildart, Powell, Sutton, Hampshire!! Not to bad some of them!!

And how many Grand Finals and CC have we won since the start of Super League?

Is that down to our lack of player development or lack of quality signings to support our young players?

[No straw damn us]

Don't rate Wane one bit and I find our player development isn't even that good considering the amount of investment we have and the amount of opportunities we give the players.

We messed around with Jack Murphy for years. Can't work out what is going to happen with Connor Farrell, Rhodri Lloyd we hung on to for far too long, messed around with Jack Hughes playing him on the wrong 2nd row side and then a year at centre.

We haven't really given Sutton much opportunity, but we gave Greenwood so many when he was never going to make it.

The problem Wigan have is we are relying too much on young players that are not good enough and are trying too hard to be almost all English.

Then you look at our quota players - Gelling, Tuatai, Isa - It just isn't good enough.

Sutton at the age of 20 has played 10 times more first team games for Wigan than Greenwood did and he's 24. Wigan produce and develop more players than any other team. We've had the best academy for the last few years winning the comp I think for 6 out of the last 7 seasons.

[cpwigan]

I think what is clear IMO is that the development of our youngsters slows dramatically compared to Australasian youngsters once they enter the pro ranks and we are arguably the best club in this country at identifying/nurturing juniors but do we develop them sufficiently / soon enough once they become professionals.

Look how many young players played for the NRL in the WCC; often in key positions and frequently not heralded juniors.

[Wiganer Ted]

Wigan had the youngest squad in SL last season and it can't be too much different this year.
Younger players need senior players who are leaders to give them direction and advice both in training and during the games.
SO'L is a leader as will be Sam T, but where though have we signed leaders? Tautai, Gelling and Isa are not leaders.
MM is a leader as is SO'L but they don't play 80 mins.
Sam T will be at full back or where ever he plays.
Smith seems to be a director rather than a leader and then we are stuck.
Recruitment really needs to be looked at to get the right age/experience balance right.

[Mike]

Wane does not rate Hampshire.

That much seems clear, but is it personal or professional?

Also, clearly someone higher in the club does rate rocky because it really l looks like if the decision was wanes, rocky would be gone already.

[cpwigan]

Wane does not rate Hampshire.

That much seems clear, but is it personal or professional?

Also, clearly someone higher in the club does rate rocky because it really l looks like if the decision was wanes, rocky would be gone already.

I would surmise professional rather than personal. I am convinced that given the choice irrespective of other qualities Wane will always opt for a bigger, more robust youngster than a leaner seemingly less robust youngster. Poor Rob Burrow would not have got a go

Two other key figures at the club do rate Hampshire, hence the new contract. St Helens being keen On Hampshire helps too.