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it is worth mentioning that SW will watch tem in training and players are tested on speed strength etc so he will have more info than us.

Games arent won in training though are they, they are won on the pitch when it counts just ask Tony Smith his team have apparently trained well all season.

People saying give Sam a chance, to be honest that chance shouldnt come at the cost to another player if they are playing well.

What message does that send out to Escare, you sit out this week while i let this guy try to prove he is better than you so he can take your job.

We need to be careful because Catalan cast Escare aside because of Gigot, now he is out the picture for whatever length of time they may want him back. We risk losing a very very good player if we snub him for a player who was a great player in 2010-2012

Sam should go out on loan if he wants to prove himself - the experience could be the making of him

sheepsteeth wrote:it is worth mentioning that SW will watch tem in training and players are tested on speed strength etc so he will have more info than us.

Well worth mentioning.

As mentioned, Waney has to keep both Sam and Morgan happy when they are both competing for the same place. Not easy.
We don't know how far away Sam is with his recovery and Escare may well have let his feeling known that he'd like to stay.
I just can't see Escare being dropped for Sam when Sam has been out of the team for so long.

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:Games arent won in training though are they, they are won on the pitch when it counts just ask Tony Smith his team have apparently trained well all season.

People saying give Sam a chance, to be honest that chance shouldnt come at the cost to another player if they are playing well.

What message does that send out to Escare, you sit out this week while i let this guy try to prove he is better than you so he can take your job.

We need to be careful because Catalan cast Escare aside because of Gigot, now he is out the picture for whatever length of time they may want him back. We risk losing a very very good player if we snub him for a player who was a great player in 2010-2012

Sam should go out on loan if he wants to prove himself - the experience could be the making of him

Good job he does not know much English .The way for forward for Escare is vastly improve his goal kicking just like Botica did and keep his place.

TrueBlueWarrior wrote:



Why don't we just wait and see what happens with Sam and MM when they both return before jumping to ridiculous conclusions about both players and their relationship with SW.

I think SW has earned the right to have more respect from us fans than to judge his integrity!!

Correct. Last season we were questioning his ability as a coach (Waneball anyone?). Grand Final win, WCC win, unbeaten so far this season so now we need to find fault elsewhere. I have every confidence in our coach. He may well have his favourites but none of them will outrank his commitment to Wigan!

I think the comments about Tomkins and MM are fair,both players have a lot to prove after for Sam a worringly ineffective 2016 (though i doubt he ever got anywhere near full match fitness to be fair,he always seemed to be a few steps late than everyone else) and for MM a fairly average 2015 (for him at least).

All coaches have their favourate players,thats life and i have confidence that Wane will if the need arises drop either player,i often think back t last season if he'd have had cover for Tomkins would he have dropped him?I'd have liked to have thought he would as at times his form simply didnt warrant his inclusion.

Kittwazzer wrote:
Correct. Last season we were questioning his ability as a coach (Waneball anyone?). Grand Final win, WCC win, unbeaten so far this season so now we need to find fault elsewhere. I have every confidence in our coach. He may well have his favourites but none of them will outrank his commitment to Wigan!

Yeah, this.

Psychology Whose ego needs boosting? Take it with a pinch of salt.

fozzieskem wrote:I think the comments about Tomkins and MM are fair,both players have a lot to prove after for Sam a worringly ineffective 2016 (though i doubt he ever got anywhere near full match fitness to be fair,he always seemed to be a few steps late than everyone else) and for MM a fairly average 2015 (for him at least).

All coaches have their favourate players,thats life and i have confidence that Wane will if the need arises drop either player,i often think back t last season if he'd have had cover for Tomkins would he have dropped him?I'd have liked to have thought he would as at times his form simply didnt warrant his inclusion.

Can we give them chance to prove themselves at least then?