Noble claims it was a try

[robjoenz]

Flash posted:
And BTW I make no apologies for using the word 'correct'.

[Dawber]

I have read both posts ( Rob & flash ) and i feel that i have to agree with Flash in everything he has said, Sorry Rob but i do feel you are trying to defend the video ref's verdict, It's simple HE GOT IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!, The ball was stolen/reefed/snatched/pinched what ever you wish to call it? at the end of the day the ball was lost due to the defending side trying to save there try line, Once that ball came loose it was play on and Richards grounded the ball = TRY TIME!!!!!!!!!!,
The ball was stolen one on one wich is fair enough but it also means play on, This result could be the difference of us being in super league or being in nl1?????? Big up the video ref (not)

[robjoenz]

Whoa... Dawby, Dawby, Dawby, I am not trying to defend the video referee's decision I am just the only on here trying to understand why he chose it! I credit the video referee with some intelligence and there must be some thinking behind the decision. He might well be wrong, I am not sure at all, I have just put forward my reasoning as to why he might have chosen what he did. I like to think it's a bit more constructive than saying "It's because he hates Wigan!"

[DaveO]

robjoenz posted:
Whoa... Dawby, Dawby, Dawby, I am not trying to defend the video referee's decision I am just the only on here trying to understand why he chose it! I credit the video referee with some intelligence and there must be some thinking behind the decision. He might well be wrong, I am not sure at all, I have just put forward my reasoning as to why he might have chosen what he did.

There comes a time when you have to give up on trying to get the square peg into the round hole.

Whatever his reasoning was, it was wrong.

Dave

[waterside glens]

same way he was wrong last week for morans try as well, arn,t things ment to even themselves up over a season in which case we are due one hell of a lot of decisions

[Scudley]

Just read that S.Cummings has backed S.Presley 100% after reviewing the decision on Sat night, i was talking to a freind of mine in the local about the decision and he knows quite a bit about RL and refereeing and asked him if the correct decision was given ? he told me as we have already heard it is the ball carriers responsability to control the ball which he clearly did not do and that was the only option the Video ref could have given As Halpenny did not intend to steal the ball (in his opinion) as we also saw Ned Catic lost control in a 2 man tackle on the wigan line he did not control the ball even though a wigan hand was also on the ball it was given as a knock on, i see not mention of this on the forums ?. I was at the game,Do not support Wakefield or Wigan, But the reason wigan lost the game on Saturday was becuause there go forward was not good and the field kicking in general was very poor and the conditions did not favour the tactics they adopted. Mr Noble sorry to say you are clutching at Straws and need to look in your own backyard for the reasons to why Wigan did not win, not looking for excuses to blame a video ref, it was not the last 2 min's what cost you the game it was the prevoius 78. when you are bottom of the pile decisions like these tend to go against you...And yes this friend is well known in the game and former proffesonal very well known Referee...

[Scudley]

Qiute true, it was his personal opinion but the reason i asked his opinon was he is unbiassed and a Ex-proffesional RL referee and he also agreed with our Refereeing controler S.Cummins and S.Presley, as i said before i don't support Wakefield or wigan and are at an advantage to take an unbiassed opinion, why not congratulate both teams on a superb defensive effort in terrible conditions,rather than try to Blame someone else for Wigan's poor show on Saturday ??

[ChrisA]

Don't fret, we don't need you to come on here and tell us how poor we have been. We do have eyes funnily enough, and had you read and took notice of most other threads you will see we are all well aware of how bad we are playing.

However, we are all entitled too our own opinions on matters regarding the games our club is involved in.

To be honest I wouldn't care if Cummings told me in person that it was the correct decision. I still think it was a try.

[ancientnloyal]

Being honest, it was great watching richards' effort late on...

all the expectations, the hype, we needed the points, the final minute... last tackle (i think, or was it 4th) then the effort in the corner... one split second its a try, the next you're tearing your hair out and shouting expletives, after seeing a dropped ball. Knowing in your head its not a try because of the speed of the game, and the acute angle of the big screen was hard to see Halpenny's hand...

Great stuff!

it was a try though, but a great moment personally.

[DaveO]

Scudley posted:
Just read that S.Cummings has backed S.Presley 100% after reviewing the decision on Sat night, i was talking to a freind of mine in the local about the decision and he knows quite a bit about RL and refereeing and asked him if the correct decision was given ? he told me as we have already heard it is the ball carriers responsability to control the ball

The he heard incorrectly. Did he actually see this incident? From the way your post is worded it sounds to me he is making a judgment on second hand information from you.

In a one on one tackle if the ball is reefed from the attacker it is not his responibility to control it.

That is what happened.

which he clearly did not do and that was the only option the Video ref could have given As Halpenny did not intend to steal the ball (in his opinion)

Get your friend to look at the replay of the infamous "knock on Tommy" try at the JJB by Tommy Martin of a few years ago and see what he makes of that.

The ball was dislodged by the Wigan player from hehind with Martyn over the line. It hit Martyn's leg on the way to the deck and Martyn then got downward pressure on it. He was never in comtrol of the ball after it left his hand so the only possible ruling that allowed the try to stand was the Wigan player knocked it out so play on.

Result? Try given. If that was a try then the one a Wakefield was definatly a try. The Wakey incident clearly had halfpenny with his hands on the ball and pulling it out. It was far more obvioulsy a try then that Martyn incident.

Had Halfpenny just clattered the player and the player dropped the ball than that was a knock on but given what actually happened and the precident set by the Martyin try the video ref and Cummins were and are wrong.

This is no surprise because it is as plain as the nose on your face that Cummings will back his officials regardless of the facts of the situation. He has not go the brains to realise if he played a straight bat the credability of the refs would go up, not down if when they made a mistake it was acknowledged.

as we also saw Ned Catic lost control in a 2 man tackle on the wigan line he did not control the ball even though a wigan hand was also on the ball it was given as a knock on, i see not mention of this on the forums ?. I was at the game,Do not support Wakefield or Wigan, But the reason wigan lost the game on Saturday was becuause there go forward was not good and the field kicking in general was very poor and the conditions did not favour the tactics they adopted.

No, it was because of that disallowed try. It was 78 minutes and 10-8 and four points were not awarded that should have been. The poor field kicking or whatever went on before is no bareing on the fact that at that stage of the match Wigan got into a winning position and were denied by the official.

This "Wigan should jave kicked better" and so on is a spurious argument used to justify the result standing and an inept set of officials. If you want to use this argument then you may as well say Wigan lost because they didn't score 100 points. It means the same thing and is irrelevant.

Mr Noble sorry to say you are clutching at Straws and need to look in your own backyard for the reasons to why Wigan did not win, not looking for excuses to blame a video ref,

There has never been a clearer case of the video ref deciding the result of a match incorrectly so it is a good thing the coach commented. To much incompetance gets swept under the carpet by coaches who bite their lips. It is unfortunate Cummings won't acept the obvious and do something about it.

it was not the last 2 min's what cost you the game it was the prevoius 78. when you are bottom of the pile decisions like these tend to go against you...And yes this friend is well known in the game and former proffesonal very well known Referee...

And by the sounds of it as bad as the lot officating on Saturday.

Dave