Sam T @ 6 for 2016?

[cpwigan]

I do not think he would want to unless he was automatically selected week in week out. At this stage too IL can get a transfer fee for him.

Is Smith good enough in your opinion to stay?
Also would you choose to release Sam Powell and Jamie Doran ahead of Matty Smith?

Smith is more than good enough so long as we control the ball. First 20 minutes yesterday we had 4-5 handling errors any 6-7 combination will struggle to look good.

Second half yesterday he played very well. He can not play on the backfoot but no player can.

So you rank Smith alongside Gregory? Edwards? Lam?

[thegimble]

Is Smith good enough in your opinion to stay?
Also would you choose to release Sam Powell and Jamie Doran ahead of Matty Smith?

Smith is more than good enough so long as we control the ball. First 20 minutes yesterday we had 4-5 handling errors any 6-7 combination will struggle to look good.

Second half yesterday he played very well. He can not play on the backfoot but no player can.

So you rank Smith alongside Gregory? Edwards? Lam?

Tell me how do you get to that conclussion.

You should know that any old crap is good enough in SL now you tell us that regulary

[Wiganer Ted]

If we are going for Sam at 6 then we could have a superb spine to the team.
1 Hampshire, 6 Tomkins, 7 Smith, 9 McIlorum, 13 O'Loughlin.
Having Hampshire, Sam and Lockers in the middle of the park is a very exciting prospect.
Personally I think bringing Sam back and having an in form Rocky Hampshire plus Lockers will put a 1000 on the gate!
The managing of deputies for those five, their positions and giving those players match time and experience will be the key. That will not be easy to do.

[cpwigan]

Smith is more than good enough so long as we control the ball. First 20 minutes yesterday we had 4-5 handling errors any 6-7 combination will struggle to look good.

Second half yesterday he played very well. He can not play on the backfoot but no player can.

So you rank Smith alongside Gregory? Edwards? Lam?

Tell me how do you get to that conclussion.

You should know that any old crap is good enough in SL now you tell us that regulary

So what you are saying is;

I Gimble think SL is crap, so much so, that any old crap halfback ergo Smith is more than good enough SIGNED Gimble

It is not really what Wigan RLFC was built upon those was it / is it. Personally, I think Matty has done a decent job but Wigan RLFC is about excellence.

Out of interest where do you rank Matty Smith? Keith Holden? Mike Ford? Martin Crompton? Craig Murdock? Luke Robinson?

[NeeNawWarrior22]

If Wigan RL is about excellence then scrap Gelling, Bowen, Clubb, Patrick, tautuai. Those names come before Smith when we are talking about average and not been up to the Wigan standard

[thegimble]

So what you are saying is;

I Gimble think SL is crap, so much so, that any old crap halfback ergo Smith is more than good enough SIGNED Gimble

It is not really what Wigan RLFC was built upon those was it / is it. Personally, I think Matty has done a decent job but Wigan RLFC is about excellence.

Out of interest where do you rank Matty Smith? Keith Holden? Mike Ford? Martin Crompton? Craig Murdock? Luke Robinson?

Overall standards in SL since 2003ish has declined year on year. Just look at the quality in the game comapred to then. Hardly any player from the inception of SL upto the Burgess brothers went to the NRL as we could compete with them on money.

SL had the likes of Lam (great player btw CP best 7 in a Wigan shirt i have seen). Vainakolo, Hape, Johns, Dallas, Renouf, Furner, Barrett etc quality players who made SL a far better competition than it would have been.

Only time in the last 5 years a Super League side got a genuine world class player was us and that was by default and the Storm financial problems. And Wire got Monaghan due to his issues off the field. Carney might be class but not seen enough of him.

As for your question only player i can compare Smith to is Robinson did not see Murdock that much and the others were before the time i came to Central Park and got educated in the game.

Smith is a better player and has not let us down in a big game when it mattered what i have seen of Robinson he can not change a game.

As for the CRAP its true look at Wire lose to Cas and put 80 points on Wakey. We play against a good Catalan side an should have posted well over 50. Rocky missed some kicks but we did blow at least 4 try scoring chances 2 over the line.

[TrueBlueWarrior]

So you rank Smith alongside Gregory? Edwards? Lam?

Tell me how do you get to that conclussion.

You should know that any old crap is good enough in SL now you tell us that regulary

So what you are saying is;

I Gimble think SL is crap, so much so, that any old crap halfback ergo Smith is more than good enough SIGNED Gimble

It is not really what Wigan RLFC was built upon those was it / is it. Personally, I think Matty has done a decent job but Wigan RLFC is about excellence.

Out of interest where do you rank Matty Smith? Keith Holden? Mike Ford? Martin Crompton? Craig Murdock? Luke Robinson?

Sorry to break it to you CP and as much as it breaks my heart but we have far from always been about excellence!! Had some awful times!!

[cpwigan]

Gimble I always want Wigan to do well and I actually agree with most 95% ish) of what you just said but I am not going to pretend (sorry Mike I tried :shau: ) that Sam is returning due to home sickness. Sam is about Sam, Stefan Marsh being the classic example! If Sam wanted he could have quite easily said to his mother life has been crappy recently, come to NZ with me. If Sam was all about family he would never have gone to the NRL but it was about Sam, it always is and always will be.

The bottom line is Sam failed in the NRL his dream of being an Ellery Hanley or one of the greats because Sam never understood what being a great actually is about and that there is no I in TEAM. Hence, when I read some good people suggesting Sam as a half back they need to wake up, Sam is a finisher, a try scorer, the icing. Sam was never a team player, he never will be BUT he can be excellent for Wigan and an excellent SL player; that is far more than most of us will ever achieve on a rugby pitch.

[cpwigan]

BTW Gimble there was a great interview with Russell Crowe at the WCC when IIRC said if sport is not about the dreams of children then what is the point. To me Matty Smith is a very good player but does he make children dream if being a RL player? I know when I was a teenager Brett Kenny made 000's of Wiganers dream about being a RL player, others did likewise incl Sam T so irrespective of his failure at the highest level maybe he can still make some young children dream about RL / SL because at the moment there are few and far reasons for youngsters to dream about SL / British RL. If Sam does that then great.

[Mike]

BTW Gimble there was a great interview with Russell Crowe at the WCC when IIRC said if sport is not about the dreams of children then what is the point. To me Matty Smith is a very good player but does he make children dream if being a RL player? I know when I was a teenager Brett Kenny made 000's of Wiganers dream about being a RL player, others did likewise incl Sam T so irrespective of his failure at the highest level maybe he can still make some young children dream about RL / SL because at the moment there are few and far reasons for youngsters to dream about SL / British RL. If Sam does that then great.

Sam T out!