cpwigan wrote:Nothing unusual in RL and the players are on a loser if they think the Saints board would capitulate. I cannot believe some of the views re Graham BTW. An outstzanding talent and every SL coach would take him without hesitation. I once saw him lead GB v Aus over in Aus and he was amazing. Joel T played stand off in the same game.
Well, CP, I watched Graham last night. The majority of plays he offloaded pre impact and every impact bar one he went down on collision. 2nd row or centre maybe but as a prop if it had been Fielden this site would be baying for blood. Rate him as a player but prop I would rather have Coley or Prescott. I think he will go the way of Fileden and end up as a used-to-be good.
Oh and you can't blame Noble
Jim
Taken from Engage Superleague:
Stats for 2009:-
METERS:
1. James Graham - 4417. 2. Jamie Peackock - 356.
3. Will Sharp (Harlequins) - 3239.
4. Pat Richards - 3169. 8. Tony Puletua - 2596. 13. Adrian Morley - 2821. 14. Sam Burgess - 2697.
CARRIES:
1. James Graham - 613. 2. Jamie Peackock - 475.
3. Will Sharp - 440.
6. Pat Richards -401. 12. Sam Burgess - 381. 20. Adrian Morley - 353.
OFF-LOADS: 1. Andy Lynch - 60.
2. Ray Cashmere (Salford) - 52.
3. Keith Senior - 49.
9. Gareth Hock - 39. 13. Iafeta Palea'aesina - 36.
James Graham is not in the top 25 off-loaders.
TACKLE BUSTS:
1. Rangi Chase (Cas) - 102. 2. Willie Manu - 91.
3. Will Sharp - 89. 5. Iafeta Palea'aesina - 81. 7. Maurie Fa'asavalu - 78. 9. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook - 77. 21. Stuart Fielden - 63.
The computer say's.........................YES.
James Graham is a workhorse who does not appear to off-load that often.
Wigan does not have one player in the top 25 of players making errors, according to the Engage Superleague statistics for 2009. Feka's & Fielden's stats on Tackle Busts are pretty good too, both in the top 25.
cpwigan wrote:Nothing unusual in RL and the players are on a loser if they think the Saints board would capitulate. I cannot believe some of the views re Graham BTW. An outstzanding talent and every SL coach would take him without hesitation. I once saw him lead GB v Aus over in Aus and he was amazing. Joel T played stand off in the same game.
Well, CP, I watched Graham last night. The majority of plays he offloaded pre impact and every impact bar one he went down on collision. 2nd row or centre maybe but as a prop if it had been Fielden this site would be baying for blood. Rate him as a player but prop I would rather have Coley or Prescott. I think he will go the way of Fileden and end up as a used-to-be good.
Oh and you can't blame Noble
Jim
Taken from Engage Superleague:
Stats for 2009:-
METERS:
1. James Graham - 4417. 2. Jamie Peackock - 356.
3. Will Sharp (Harlequins) - 3239.
4. Pat Richards - 3169. 8. Tony Puletua - 2596. 13. Adrian Morley - 2821. 14. Sam Burgess - 2697.
CARRIES:
1. James Graham - 613. 2. Jamie Peackock - 475.
3. Will Sharp - 440.
6. Pat Richards -401. 12. Sam Burgess - 381. 20. Adrian Morley - 353.
OFF-LOADS: 1. Andy Lynch - 60.
2. Ray Cashmere (Salford) - 52.
3. Keith Senior - 49.
9. Gareth Hock - 39. 13. Iafeta Palea'aesina - 36.
James Graham is not in the top 25 off-loaders.
TACKLE BUSTS:
1. Rangi Chase (Cas) - 102. 2. Willie Manu - 91.
3. Will Sharp - 89. 5. Iafeta Palea'aesina - 81. 7. Maurie Fa'asavalu - 78. 9. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook - 77. 21. Stuart Fielden - 63.
The computer say's.........................YES.
James Graham is a workhorse who does not appear to off-load that often.
Wigan does not have one player in the top 25 of players making errors, according to the Engage Superleague statistics for 2009. Feka's & Fielden's stats on Tackle Busts are pretty good too, both in the top 25.
God wrote:How about Will Sharpe then, he looks promising according to stats.
I dont think he has been in the game of RL for long either God.
Room for improvement there I would imagine too.
Watched him for a very depleted Harlequins in high temperature southern France. He played well, especially early on in the game.
cpwigan wrote:Tackle busts is a wierd stat PM. Look at clean breaks, tries scored. Not sure they do a stat for passing etc.
I see it as a great assett CP, if you have a player like Shaun Edwards sitting on your shoulder.
When attacking, I cant beleive why we seldom have Sam, George, Glees or Phelps sitting right on Fek's arxs when he busts through.
Then fine Fek £20 for every ball he does not put in their hands.
Only joking about Fek, but backing up from tackle busts makes yards.
Problem is PM tackle busts from what anybody can tell include bouncing back out of tackles and not beating anybody or making a hole in the defence. Hence why Fielden has a huge number but at a guess only 1 or 2 clean breaks. I would think Feka has a few clean breaks.
cpwigan wrote:Problem is PM tackle busts from what anybody can tell include bouncing back out of tackles and not beating anybody or making a hole in the defence. Hence why Fielden has a huge number but at a guess only 1 or 2 clean breaks.
I doubt that is true. It would be a worthless statistic otherwise and most players would have hugely inflated scores.
I think we have to accept these guys at Opta know what they are doing and would not come up with a meaningless statistic like that.
Kittwazzer wrote:I keep returning to this thread for more bad news from over the hill. Seems its gone completely off track now! :conf:
It has KW.
I initially put the stats on just to show how good James Graham is, and should he want to leave "The club down't road", then we should sign him.
highland convert wrote:Graham, don't rate him that high. Goes down easier than Fielden. As a prop he is naff. He plays more a centre when he is doing the damage. First 3 tackles in CC declaired surrender. Typical stains player, gown on the lightest contact and quick ball play. Skill shows from tactical use. Lump of lard.
Jim
What an amazing statement. no one dislikes St Helens more than i do but credit where credit is due. He is a tremendous player and i believe the next England captain.Ask any SL coach and they would have him at their club tomorrow.
