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cpwigan wrote:

josie andrews wrote:

cpwigan wrote:I cannot recall where I watched it but the grounds was a foreight stadia and they had a fantastic section whereby fans could stand up in perfect safety but for European Champions League matches the barriers could be converted back to seats. It was so simple yet brilliant.

I saw that as well was it Holland?

I think so Josie.

It was a really good system. Incredibly safe, probably not the room some fans would like but it allowed them to stand.

I thought it was an excellent idea, & as you say looked incredibly safe.

Great debate this. Glad it’s surfaced again. Might be something to bring up at a fans forum. Things will NEVER change at home until the club allocate a section of the ground to singers and flag wavers. I’ve mentioned this to the club but to fair, I don’t think anything will happen until enough people keep on at the club about it.

Away support is fantastic. A different proposition altogether and this season seems better than ever. We are organised away from home. I’m involved with this Brigantes thing and we’re pulling likeminded individuals together. I now go to away games with people I’d never met before this season. It only takes a few. We’re building it up all the time and the away day experience is only going to get better as the season goes on. More flags, different songs, more singers.

So why won’t this work at home? Well, the same group of lads who stand together away sit in separate stands at home. Half in the East, half in the South. They won’t come together until the club designates a section for our ‘away support’ at home. And that section needs to be seen to work before people decide to change where they sit.

Maybe a trial is necessary where the club lets people congregate in the same corner of the east stand for example even if they have South Stand season tickets. Something radical has to be done. Unless the club aren’t really bothered about such an idea and are happy so long as people turn up and pay their money?

Anyhow, back to Hull KR. FORZA BRIGANTES !

Jimmy one suggestion, especially given what has been said re the acoustics of the North v South stand.

At home games with little or no away support, the North Stand is opened for the Brigantes / vocal fans. Not trying to fill it etc but allow those fans to stand, be together, to 'raise the roof' in the North.

I am fairly sure we have little or no restrictions from the RFL and only Whelan/DW Stadia Management could then object?

Let's have a recording of our fans singing and chanting then and play it at full blast in the offending stand hee hee!

the winky one wrote:Let's have a recording of our fans singing and chanting then and play it at full blast in the offending stand hee hee!

we'd end up like Leeds with 'Marching on Together' and Hull FC with 'Old Faithful'

“Sing when you're told to, you only sing when you're told to, sing when you're tooold to, you only sing when you're told to!”

cpwigan wrote:Jimmy one suggestion, especially given what has been said re the acoustics of the North v South stand.

At home games with little or no away support, the North Stand is opened for the Brigantes / vocal fans. Not trying to fill it etc but allow those fans to stand, be together, to 'raise the roof' in the North.

I am fairly sure we have little or no restrictions from the RFL and only Whelan/DW Stadia Management could then object?

Great idea. Be interesting to see whether the club would be receptive to a suggestion. For example, lets say we can, through a petition on this site & rlfans, get 50 or 100 people to commit to the North Stand for one game against say Crusaders, Quins or Giants and to use that occasion to trial a singing section. We can get a group in there with all the flags & colour and to make as much noise as possible for the duration. See whether the experiment would work and then perhaps the club would create an area of the ground for such a section of the support.

cpwigan wrote:
Confidence can be destroyed externally.

Ian Millward exemplified that.

That was internally. Millward was the coach and if he ruined confidence that was a thing internal to the team. Ditto Noble with his half hearted praise for young players doing much the same.

IMO, fans are approaching home games negatively, expecting/anticipating the worst. Sarcastically cheering Catalans was the pits for me. Clap/praise a team at the end of a match but during? A Wigan Walker is more of a fan.

I doubt there was one fan who feared the worst v Les Cats to the extent they were only too keen to get on our players backs or when things started to go wrong give up on the team quickly. I thought the fans tried their best to encourage the team even when we were losing just before half time. As the points hit the late 30's and 40's the fans had every right to voice their displeasure and doing so should only be expected by the players when things go that wrong.

Many of you are parents. Does any parent moan/complain constantly at their child. Belittle every mistake they make, humiliate them publically? Why not?

Well my son had a disappointing weekend. Not only did Wigan get thrashed he was retired from the Cheshire Hike by an official (look it up on the Internet if interested) a mere two miles from the finish and he was hoping to actually win the thing this year. The reason he was retired? He could hardly walk due to blisters and so they would not have had time to enter his score given his likely finish time. Now it was possibly his fault for not breaking his boots in better or making sure they were fitting correctly but there is no way I am going to have a go at him for a mistake given the effort he put into the training and the event itself. And why would I? Even if I knew he was to blame he is a kid and as such you help them through such disappointments regardless of why they happened. And that's the point. With the players the circumstances were different. There was not enough effort in defence from quite a few and they were basically rubbish!

They are also not kids and the idea we have to treat them as such is daft.

Dave a previous poster talked about confidence coming from within. Anything and everything outside the body of a person is external.

You are in a minority. The atmosphere is pooreven before kick off and at the 'drop of a pin' the atmosphere turns negative. You do not have to hear your not fit to wear the shirt or booing to sense an atmosphere. I work with colleagues who do not speak, no actions but strewth the atmosphere is horrible despite demonstrative outbursts.

Sportsmen are often like children. They are incredibly difficult to manage. Many are uneducated and have issues. Remember, the article I posted re Monie and how difficult players were / are to manage. John Monie used child psychology ploys with Andy Gregory. Look at all sports. Are you telling me Wayne Rooney is a mature, balanced adult? However, the point stands irrespective of age. How employees are made to feel in their workplace has a huge impact on motivation, confidence and well being.

I have a theory about away form being better than home form.

At home I guess the players arrive at the ground maybe 1 1/2 or 2 hours before kickoff.

Away, they must arrive considerably earlier. They get together, then sit on the coach talking about the game. They generally have much more time for banter and mutual support and psyching themselves up.

When I was playing rugby (Union at a fairly mediocre level), when we played away I was much more up for the game than I was at home.

When travelling for away games are the players entering a subconcious that they are travelling away from problems, i know the club has had in house issues with gleeson leaving etc and these things do have an effect on confidence, we have lots of disruption with positions bans and injuries which can also have a knock on effect. now phschologically when we play away do the players feel a weight off their shoulders with only low thousands of supporters is the pressure less in this environment? winning is a habbit and so far on the road this habbit is not breaking. now lets flip the coin at home the players are surrounded by familiarity and all the burdens mentioned above and these are easily remembered plus come kick off we have the highest crowd attendance in the league and arguably the highest fan expectations. Lots of pressure! IMO the way out has to be a few subtle changes and some consistency i.e tomkins to 6 paddy or marsh to 1 lima to stop getting banned so we can have at least 2 props on the pitch at any given time, tommy to 9 and most importantly smiles on players faces, in 2010 the players had a good time playing!