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Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:57 am
by leesa lane
well primrose and blue, with you being from warrington im pretty sure the air there is invigorating and redolent rather than just "fresh" and "sweet". jee wizz have you learnt nothing from paul cullen

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:02 am
by primrose-n-blue
leesa lane posted:
invigorating redolent
have you learnt nothing from paul cullen
It seems you have! :lol:

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:03 am
by bill
id keep the jibes to a minimum seen as you didn't do to well in the widnes/wire games last season. my wife would just like to thank you for the points gained last season! she has her wonderful moments! where did you get your information about robinson from? is it a reliable source?

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:12 am
by primrose-n-blue
MrsLam posted:
just looked at the table from last year didn't realise you'd lost that many games! What you all reckonin for next year?
Yeah, its painfull reading.

As for next year. I think we can do very well indeed.
Top 4 im thinking, like Hull did. But our priority is the challenge cup. In fact Warrington hve made the semi-final 3 times in only 5 years.
Im still sure were short on another back rower at this time and possibly a scrum-half now were stuck with Knock-on Wood after you pulled out.

I think Leeds and Bradford will be there abouts again, with little to choose between Warrington, Wigan and Hull. It'll be very interseting to see who will make the 6th. I honestly think Saint's wont do it and their coach gets the sack 2/3 the way through.

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:15 am
by primrose-n-blue
bill posted:
my wife has her wonderful moments! where did you get your information about robinson from? is it a reliable source?
Its common knowledge around here!
It seems Warrington is the center of all rumours this year.

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:19 am
by MrsLam
Im still sure were short on another back rower at this time and possibly a scrum-half now were stuck with Knock-on Wood after you pulled out.
You have less faith in Mo than some people on here!...however am sure Wood would be better than having no scrum half at all?

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:24 am
by primrose-n-blue
MrsLam posted:
however am sure Wood would be better than having no scrum half at all?
Well that is the issue. Nat Wood is really a hooker!
as I said scrum-half is a concern for Warrington now that Wigan pulled out of the Nat Wood deal.

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:31 am
by MrsLam
haha okee!
Rated by coach Cullen "as tough and smart as they come, his ambition can take us to a Grand Final".
You're doing alright don't know why you're worried, that guys gonna take you all the way to the grand final, maybe we should have got him. That way we'd have a scrum half meaning people would stop moanin, and you wouldnt have nat wood. It's a win win situation really.

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:49 am
by DaveO
robjoenz posted:
There is one thing that we all to seem to agree on and that is that Maurice was a good chairman in the glory days, singing Edwards, Gregory, Offiah etc. etc.

You said it though Wills...
...up till recently he has been a good chairman overall.
But he has still made signings like Lam, C Smith, Renouf, Dallas and so on. He has made many more good signings recently than bad.
He can't seem to manage the salary cap. It's ok to say the salary cap has hindered his job but Hetherington and Caisley seem to manage it extremely well compared to us.
I'll give you that one but lets see how things pan out over the next two season. It is only two seasons we have had to work to 1.8 million (I think).
The way he treated Briscoe was terrible, offering him a bit part contract then changing his mind by which time he'd decided he'd not stay where he was not wanted.

The reason for letting Briscoe and Johnston go was to keep Adrian Lam for half a season. Now for me we ought to have thanked Lam for his years of duty but let him know it was time for him to retire because in this salary cap climate we couldn't afford to keep a place vacant. Lindsay, however, did not do this!
But who would he have got to replace him? Of those two you mention I was more bothered about Johnson than Briscoe. Basically Briscoe would not have got a game with Rads around and you can't expect players like him to stick around on the off chance. With Johnson going I felt we were lightweight in the centres but Wilde stepped up to take his place but you must also remember with the loss of his brother a change of club and a new start may have been what the player wanted.
He blamed the 20/20 rule for not keeping Robinson which is clearly a lie in light of signing Godwin. A decent chairman would not lie through his teeth to the fans especially if he is 'Wigan through and through!'
Of course it is the 20/20 rule! If there was none we would still have Robinson but since there is one, the decsion had to be made was Robinson worth a 20/20 slot? Mo thinks the answer is no and wants a different player taking up that slot.

Without the 20/20 we may well have had Godwin and Robinson. With it, we can only have one of them and the choice is Godwin.

That sort of decision is going to be common place given the rules and the fact we produce so many good young players. We can't keep them all and sometimes there are going to be players from outside the club whom Mo thinks are a more valuable addition to the squad than the ones we have.
How much say did Denis Betts/Mike Gregory have to do with our signing for next season?
Not much I would think but what is new on that front? John Monie wanted to sign Phil Blake and Mo signed Frano Botica. Monie was quoted as saying he could not understand it, signing a second string All Black with no RL experience over Blake. He then went on to admit Botica (and Mo) proved him wrong.
Three top class props with international experience at the highest level have retired since last season. We have signed one top class prop (Seuseu) in replacement.
You can only sign what is available. Now the seasons are in sync (GB and Aus) there are fewer top class players available. Mo made a smart move with C Smith didn't he? Got a top player disenchanted with the NRL to Wigan. Players like Smith don't grow on trees.
Then of course there is Robinson, not quite the answer to all our prayers as you so sarcastically suggest Pacman but nevertheless a scrum half is better than no scrum half as Mike quite rightly points out.

Robinson may not have had the greatest of seasons but he was not given the same chance as Danny Orr, for example.
In what way? Luke was never going to displace Lam when Lam was fit. Just like Briscoe would not replace Rads. LR found a role as interchange hooker and did well there. I wish he were staying but it is not the end of the world he has left. As a scrum half I don't think he could have done the job for us next season even if the alternative is Orr as Scrum half.
Now I won't pretend to know who I'd prefer as chairman, I just know that I'd prefer someone that could do the job he's required to do without overlapping into the coachs role. I would also like a chairman that was honest and told the fans the truth and it amazes me that anyone is happy with a chairman that does not provide the above.
On the signing front it has always been that way. On the honesty front, you haven't convinced me he has lied.

I am sure you will get a lot of agreement with your post but then there are a lot of people who get a red mist before their eyes when the subject of Mo crops up and all logic goes out of the window. You conspiracy theory as to why Orr was given a chance and LR (in theory) wasn't is the sort of non-factual stuff posted about what Mo does (no offence intended by the way).

Dave

Re: Maurice's worst mistak...

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:54 am
by DaveO
GeoffN posted:
A chairman should be judged on results, the same as a coach. Maurice has been building for the future for the last ten years, and what have we won in that period?
One Grand Final and one Challenge Cup.
In 10 years.
That's not good enough for a club like Wigan.
Look at Leeds. First Championsip for 32 years!

People say Mo could only win when he had money to burn well Leeds spent a fortune on trying to emulate Wigan and so look at the success we have had over the last 32 years and see how many of them Mo was in chrge for.

Dave