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No problems with Wane and here comes the but! But do people have confidence with Harris or Sculthorpe? I think not.The combination does not seem to be inspired thinking from IL if you ask me.I would far sooner IL had raided Widnes for the likes of Cassidy rather than either of these two.Whatever the outcome I shall support the appointment until we see the results.IL has done us proud up to now and don't doubt that Maguire has had his say on the appointments so I will keep the faith. I always say believe nowt until it's announced.

In many ways I feel sorry for Waney. I feel pretty good about us sweeping the board this season and giving the best coach the best possible send off.

Shaun could never better that and we all need to accept this. I've no doubt that we will always be up there in the mix and challenging for honours though.

I see next season much like Stains have had this season with more young talent being integrated into the first team but by choice rather than necessity.

CP raised this point on another forum that a lot of teams could learn from what Stains have done this year. Basically, I want to see the likes of Mellor, Powell, Russell, King etc showing their excellence in our team rather than someone else's.

Sorry, gone a bit OT here!

It will not happen BUT IMO one thing we can learn from the Storm and help keep us ahead of SL is appoint 2 or even 3 assistants to our head coach. A bigger coaching team would give one of those assistants or even Waney (Head coach) time to go to Aus or even other sports in countries like the USA and seek the extra edge to move us forward.

KW, don't worry too much. We have a couple of years left even if we are stupid enough not to give more youngsters their opportunity. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and let ageing players go just so you can blood a youngster at a time when the team is very strong and successful. No better time to introduce young players than when a team is strong and successful.

Ryan King looks increasingly ready IMO

It's a cultural thing
Bellamy lifts lid on Storm's culture
Reads a lot like what's already taking shape at Wigan.

cpwigan wrote:It will not happen BUT IMO one thing we can learn from the Storm and help keep us ahead of SL is appoint 2 or even 3 assistants to our head coach. A bigger coaching team would give one of those assistants or even Waney (Head coach) time to go to Aus or even other sports in countries like the USA and seek the extra edge to move us forward.

KW, don't worry too much. We have a couple of years left even if we are stupid enough not to give more youngsters their opportunity. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and let ageing players go just so you can blood a youngster at a time when the team is very strong and successful. No better time to introduce young players than when a team is strong and successful.

Ryan King looks increasingly ready IMO

If they can do it for the marketing team......

bourbon_rat wrote:It's a cultural thing
Bellamy lifts lid on Storm's culture
Reads a lot like what's already taking shape at Wigan.

How very true when he says

"And culture is a difficult word. It's hard to see it. You can see it in teams on the field, but when you are around teams you can't really see it, but you can feel it.

"A couple of really important things to building culture: you need good leaders in your club, and you need good people in all positions.

"Whether they are a player, a coach, a physio, a board member, whatever, they need to be good people and if they are good leaders that is an obvious attraction as well. The other thing is everyone in the organisation needs to know what their role is, and understand where their role fits in.

'You need to know exactly what's expected and understand how it fits in to that structure, and so if I do my role that helps that guy out and if he does his role that helps that guy out.

"And with good people, they will work really hard to be the best they can be, they'll work really hard to play their role as best they can. And that builds culture."


""The only stipulation I had with bringing players to our club was that they were good people off the field," he said. "You can't be an idiot all week then play well on Saturday."

How many times did Rads talk about culture in his book?

bourbon_rat wrote:It's a cultural thing
Bellamy lifts lid on Storm's culture
Reads a lot like what's already taking shape at Wigan.

I like Bellamy's comment regarding players, and to some degree Wigan may have already seen this in Ballamy's tuition passed onto his then assistant Madge.

"The only stipulation I had with bringing players to our club was that they were good people off the field," he said. "You can't be an idiot all week then play well on Saturday."

Obviously Madge has used these skills to see what Gaz Hock has to offer not necessarily just for his Rugby League skills and also something that may have been missing in Martin Gleeson's case.
Who knows.

The team spirit we have is spot on. I do think we should go to other sports and think the coaching staff should get over to Aus. We need a team off the field even go as far as a defence,fitness, offence and so on like the NFL.
What I would like is instead of us copy cating the NRL and playing catch up(which we have done since 1982) is a coach Admin to break the mould instead of trying to be like Bennet,Bellamey be the next inovator we will only grow if we do this.

lucky 13 wrote:The team spirit we have is spot on. I do think we should go to other sports and think the coaching staff should get over to Aus. We need a team off the field even go as far as a defence,fitness, offence and so on like the NFL.
What I would like is instead of us copy cating the NRL and playing catch up(which we have done since 1982) is a coach Admin to break the mould instead of trying to be like Bennet,Bellamey be the next inovator we will only grow if we do this.

And there's the rub.....................
This is just about standard practice for every successful club in any sporting code.As for 'innovation' ?
Sports science & training/coaching techniques are evolving rapidly & anything new that is successful is quickly 'copied' by everyone else.

This combination is not one that fills me with confidence to be honest.

I don't have enough of an insider view to judge how good a head coach SW will be. But the qualities needed to be a good Head Coach are different to being a good assistant. As it stands now, Waney acts as the inbetweener between the players, the senior players and the head coach. He implements what Mcguire determines. We can all work under a great boss and while soaking it up think ' this is a piece of p*ss."

A big chunk of improvements on the pitch have come from an improved team spirit and club culture, but you can't understate the improvements in the technical details of Wigans game under Mcguire. I've had the Wigan tackling technique demonstrated by only one player. It f888888 hurts. All of that innovation comes from Mcguire not Wane.

I'm not sure that Wane has the technical nouse of Mcguire and I'm not sure he has the distance from the players to be able to be an effective gaffer.

As for Harris. He comes from the Brian Noble school of coaching and we had theree years of that. 5 drives and kick for anyone?

My view is that under these two we'll have peaked, hold the peak for a season next year and be in the running again and then start on a slight decline.