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cpwigan wrote:You are presuming the team would have been better without Madge. Big presumption.

I am not assuming anything but I am saying he adopted a different approach because he was leaving. He should not have.

DaveO wrote:

cpwigan wrote:You are presuming the team would have been better without Madge. Big presumption.

I am not assuming anything but I am saying he adopted a different approach because he was leaving. He should not have.

By your statements here and elsewhere; you wanted his stay effectively cut even shorter by putting him on gardening leave, thus logically presuming and inferring by your statement that Madge was incapable of coaching Wigan in 2011 once he annoubnced he was leaving and that his replacement could have done a better job.

There have been a lot of ifs and buts and whys and wherefores, but in the end Mr Maguire has finished his time at Wigan and we are all sorry to see him go.
Four seasons ago I remember watching as Wakefield ruined our season after less than a minute of the very first game. Two seasons ago I remember watching our first game under Madge and coming away knowing it was all different and we were, at long last, going to achieve. And achieve we did.
Yes it's really disappointing not to be at Old Trafford, but actually in the last 2 years we've won the major trophies and we have had the honour and privilege of watching Wigan in its pomp.
Great days and great memories for our future.
I believe the legacy of his time will be longer than 2 seasons.
So thank you Michael Maguire. You have brought us something special and I for one will be eternally grateful.

RE the club IMO it is poor that nothing has been arranged (unless I do not know) I.E A thankyou/goodbye Madge dinner. Have the supporters club organised anything?

Thank you Michael, during your reign I actually began to enjoy going to matches again with raw anticipation and the assurance of entertaining rugby. You brought us into the modern era of rugby league, long may it continue with whoever is in charge next season. Preferably with local lads who hate Saints!, and Leeds, and Warrington et al

You got to laugh..................
If he'd abandoned the offer to return as a head coach in the NRL & then this season had ended the same way he would quite probably been the scapegoat who got shown the door
Wigan have a TERRIBLE recent history with coaches,as do almost every other team in Super League.

In 2012 Micheal Maguire will be head coach of 'the enemy' for me,but he was a successful Stormer,then a successful Wigan Warrior,so I thank him for all that & I wish him well.

Have you ever considered he is a one trick wonder? He came with new ideas. Were they his? His style and tactics blew away the opposition year one. Did he burn out the players half way through year two. Had other coaches caught up with the style by year two and he have nothing in reserve. His tenure at rabbits will answer a lot of questions. I was concerned when it was announced that he had been spent three weeks interviewing and recruiting for rabbits when the team was loosing the plot. No his mind had moved on before the end of season. Our new coach now has to reenergise knackered players Jim

Like others in the NRL, Madge was/is far ahead of SL and SL coaches. The methodology adopted by Madge works everywhere. It worked for Saints v us too. Few dummy half runs bar in your own 20, no offloads, slowing the opp POTB down getting a fast POTB when in possession is the Melbourne/Madge way.

Unfortunately, a coach is limited no matter how good he is by the players under his charge. Some Wigan players decided they knew better, ignored instructions and started thinking they could rewrite the coaching manual. Maybe it was arrogance? over confidence? believeing media sound bites as to how the Wire way of playing was the right way. Whatever, the players IMO dropped their game. The failing of Madge was his reluctance to drop players in 2011 and replace them with younger, more enthusiastic, more mouldable players.

British clubs / players lose at the highest level because their mental strength is inferior, their game intelligence is far weaker which means the players are not as good as they or we think they are.

Incredibly, a few things happen in a different manner v Saints and the double was on. Had the Tomkins brothers not blown a potential 12-0 lead after less than 12 minutes the game would have been different. Had play on been given when Pat was breaking up field etc. All ifs/buts but the bottom line is that if you adopt and execute a Bennett/Melbourne/Manly game plan then you win, win, win!

Saints deserved their win BUT should have lost. Wigan's players executed their game plan poorly whereas Saints did not. However, British RL fans / media / coaches need to understand the Smith's way / the Bullshit British way is flawed and doomed to failure. Leeds were able to beat Wire despite the stats saying they should have lost but that shows the failings of the Smith's philosophy.

If Madge can keep the Rabbitohs fit and they follow his ideas then they have a far better team than we are with genuine gamebreakers in Inglis, King, Taylor and others.

I would like to thank Madge, not only for the trophies, but the way he has brought the club on. Some people say he should have gone in the summer, but the amount of advice he has given to Wane over the past few months will be the difference between success and failure.

The problem shaun has now, is does he change things round to his way of thinking or try and keep things the same as when Madge was in charge.

My only issue with Madge is not giving a few kids a chance, and announcing signings and sackings for next year rabbitohs that he had made, just as we hit a rough patch.

Hope it all goes terribly wrong in sydney and you decide to come back to your new home. Just love how you've turned us back into the most hated club in English rugby..

First Try Tickle wrote:I would like to thank Madge, not only for the trophies, but the way he has brought the club on. Some people say he should have gone in the summer, but the amount of advice he has given to Wane over the past few months will be the difference between success and failure.

The problem shaun has now, is does he change things round to his way of thinking or try and keep things the same as when Madge was in charge.

My only issue with Madge is not giving a few kids a chance, and announcing signings and sackings for next year rabbitohs that he had made, just as we hit a rough patch.

Hope it all goes terribly wrong in sydney and you decide to come back to your new home. Just love how you've turned us back into the most hated club in English rugby..

Undoubtedly Madge did a wonderful job, he changed us from a team of hopers into a champion outfit and for that we should all be eternally grateful.

As for whether Waney needs to change things then the answer has to be yes. If you stand still in rugby league then you very quickly become also rans (or as one former coaching great of our club used to say 'when you are cruising you are losing'). Waney needs to build on the strengths of the club but also develop new ways and methods that will keep us out in front. Added to that he will have several different personnel at his disposal and therefore inevitable that our style of play will change. It is my belief that we will see many more junior players coming through the ranks under Waney's tutelage.