Re: Team of All-Time: FULLBACK VOTE

jobo · Post by **jobo** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:09 pm

cpwigan wrote:
jobo wrote:
cpwigan wrote: No thankyou more than happy with myself He was telling the truth. Rads was no great, a trier yes, dedicated yes, brave in buckets (Murrayfield) yes BUT minimal skill. He had limited evasion skills and was not express pace.

Not even in the top 5 all time. Sadly the 2nd/3rd greatest full back to play for Wigan IMO is missing; Punchy Griffiths. Sullivan is 1 Punchy or Ryan are 2 / 3. Punchy did it for Wigan, then went to Aus and was great there too.

It is amusing that people vote for Rads and Hampo. Hampo was the world best at catching bombs, other than that his skill deficiences turned him into a self harmer.
Here's a link for you CP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Radlinski

Not bad for someone who wasn't particularly talented
It is a fantastic achievement BUT that does not equate to being Wigan's best ever fullback. Not disrespecting Rads but he was not fit to lace the boots of Sullivan. Rads was vying with Wellens as the best in his era. Many think rightly or wrongly that Wellens was better. IMO, that tells you all you need to know.

If you read the link, Rads struggled to make the SL dream team, once? he only won a fraction of the trophies / awards of Sully and most came baby sitting on the wing of our all time teams when asked to make a stunning difference and lead Wigan to glory both Rads and Faz did not cut it whereas Sully captained / coached Wigan / GB / Saints to countless glory. There simply is no comparison but hey thats for others to live with.

Can you imagine France leaving Puig Albert out of their All Time XIII? Australia / Souths leaving Clive Churchill out? It saddens me that Aussies etc respect / recognse their past more than we Brits do.

I agree with 99% of what you say, even agree that Sullivan probably was the best fullback we've ever had but don't agree with you on the point you make saying Radders wasn't particularly talented. He just simply was, talented. You don't get into any top flight first team, let alone Wigan of that era at aged 18, unless you possess a modicum of talent. You wont stay in the side if you don't build on that talent and get better with experience. Radders did all of this and more importantly, came back to play an important role in saving the club from relegation for no pay whatsoever. At that time, it was a magnificent gesture which gave the players and fans a massive lift. Bearing all this in mind, I voted for Radders, although my deceased Dad, Uncles and Grandads would probably slay me for it.

ancientnloyal · Post by **ancientnloyal** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:17 pm

You say Sullivan was the bets, but then voted for Radlinski?

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:19 pm

Where I disagree is talent alone is not enough. A player of less talent but a great attitude will achieve far more than a player with fantastic talent but an awful attitude.

Many fans right/wrong believe Rads got paid for that spell AND interestingly for a so called all time great he could not hack it at FB having to play centre.

I commend any player for what they achieve BUT IMO Rads is not even top 5. My top 3 would be Sully 1 Punchy 2 Ryan 3 Probably Tyrer or Fairbairn at 4 Sam/Amos/Blake at 5.

An interesting aside the first converted FB I saw who was ultra special in that position for Para was Steve Ella. When people talk innovation the Taylor / Sterling dual FB role was by far the most innovative ploy I have seen.

Kittwazzer · Post by **Kittwazzer** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:34 pm

Great that people are using Wiki but if this poll is to be given full credence, presumably everyone will have to go back to around 1895 and read about every single player from then until present day!

I shant be voting again. Maybe we should start a poll for the all-time greatest posters!

jobo · Post by **jobo** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:13 pm

cpwigan wrote:Where I disagree is talent alone is not enough. A player of less talent but a great attitude will achieve far more than a player with fantastic talent but an awful attitude.

Many fans right/wrong believe Rads got paid for that spell AND interestingly for a so called all time great he could not hack it at FB having to play centre.

I commend any player for what they achieve BUT IMO Rads is not even top 5. My top 3 would be Sully 1 Punchy 2 Ryan 3 Probably Tyrer or Fairbairn at 4 Sam/Amos/Blake at 5.

An interesting aside the first converted FB I saw who was ultra special in that position for Para was Steve Ella. When people talk innovation the Taylor / Sterling dual FB role was by far the most innovative ploy I have seen.

If he did get paid, I'd change my vote but he says he didn't and I'm inclined to believe him. Steve Ella was outstanding, not sure what the Sterling/Taylor dual FB role was, could you enlighten???

jobo · Post by **jobo** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:27 pm

ancientnloyal wrote:You say Sullivan was the bets, but then voted for Radlinski?

I was always one for the forlorn hope, which is probably why the bookies love me so much. There's more things imo, go to make a great than just out and out playing ability. Voted for him over Sullivan mainly because he came back and helped at a time when the club needed it most.

I'd also say Henry Cooper was an all time great British boxer. More of a great than Joe Bugner or Lennox Lewis. Not the best ever heavy weight but a bloke whom I had the pleasure to meet and he was all heart.

In my eyes, although not a mathematically precise decision, it is one that I'm happy with.

cpwigan · Post by **cpwigan** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:56 pm

jobo wrote:
cpwigan wrote:Where I disagree is talent alone is not enough. A player of less talent but a great attitude will achieve far more than a player with fantastic talent but an awful attitude.

Many fans right/wrong believe Rads got paid for that spell AND interestingly for a so called all time great he could not hack it at FB having to play centre.

I commend any player for what they achieve BUT IMO Rads is not even top 5. My top 3 would be Sully 1 Punchy 2 Ryan 3 Probably Tyrer or Fairbairn at 4 Sam/Amos/Blake at 5.

An interesting aside the first converted FB I saw who was ultra special in that position for Para was Steve Ella. When people talk innovation the Taylor / Sterling dual FB role was by far the most innovative ploy I have seen.
If he did get paid, I'd change my vote but he says he didn't and I'm inclined to believe him. Steve Ella was outstanding, not sure what the Sterling/Taylor dual FB role was, could you enlighten???

Taylor was a diminutive blonde haired then Sterlo lookalike. Probably a halfback in his junior days. He was a brilliant tackler. Peter Sterling was an all time great scrum half and whilst not a bad tackler Jack Gibson wanted to avoid team targetting him in the line and sapping his energy.

So Gibson selected Taylor at FB and Sterlo at 7. Whenever Parra were defending Sterlo dropped to full back and Taylor moved up tackling anything / everything. IIRC he broke the Parra tackling record in a single game with 50+ Sterlo never got tired and fielded kicks whch he then passed to Grothe or Hunt on the wings. When Parra had the ball he terrorised the opposition in his normal 7 position.

Taylor has a guest stint at Oldham IIRC

ancientnloyal · Post by **ancientnloyal** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:03 pm

RADLINSKI HAS BEEN NAMED IN WIGAN'S ALL-TIME TEAM AS FULLBACK

WELL DONE TO HIM.