Need I say more??

[Kol]

Kiwi, you're wasting your time with some of the comments that have come back. Your post was correct, well presented and fair.

Is it early? sure the new players have to meld together and I must say the new kids on the block are impressive and have bags of potential.

However, last season we had seasoned pro's that had played together under Madge and then handed down to SW.

Sam Tompkins said it on an interview with Sky commenting on how SW does things differently to Madge. This comment made me wonder one of two things;

1. SW is a genuis or

2. He is taking a big gamble and really hasn't thought this through.

Then we started to fold the end of last season and not perform in the bigger games.

Then leaks of discontent in the camp.

Then Hock leaves.

The big game trait has continued in to this season and I really doubt SW has a plan B as per my last thread.

I understand we have new players as I mentioned earlier and I know they will meld together, but, I feel SW has had his chance and needs to prove something pretty damn quick.

Let's hope we get on winning ways.

Finally, if you don't like my comments, simple, don't read them.

[Owd Codger]

Come on, up to now with injuries to some of our more experienced players, we have had a win at Salford who are expected to finish at bottom of the table, a draw with title favourites Warrington and a away defeat by only a gift try and penalties to a full strength Huddersfield who trashed St Helens away.

Anyone would think we had lost all three games with some of the negative comments.

[sheepsteeth]

I don't know why anyone expected Wane to keep things exactly the same as under Madge.

This is his career and his living, he had to do things his way! Better for him to fail doing what he thinks is right.

If he was the sort of man who was just happy to copy what Madge had done and not have any independent thought then I wouldn't have wanted him in the first place. The problems will come if he has changed things just to prove he's his own man.

FWIW I think we aren't doing too badly all things considered. We've got a few injuries already and a new half back combo. Our defence to me seems solid and our attack will only get better as the season goes on.

It's far too early to be sharpening the daggers.

[DaveO]

I don't know why anyone expected Wane to keep things exactly the same as under Madge.

I can think of of numerous reasons.

1. No need to change a winning formula.
2. The players knew the system.
3. He knew the system and knew it worked.
4. He was an assistant coach who I would expect to learn off his head coach and apply what he learned which is I am sure what Madge himself did.
5. It is common sense that if you do want to change anything when its a proven system you do so gradually tweaking it trying one new thing rather than changing the whole lot.

This is his career and his living, he had to do things his way! Better for him to fail doing what he thinks is right.

"Better for him to fail doing what he thinks is right."

Rubbish! The club isn't something to massage his ego with.

It's his job is to win trophies not massage his own ego by doing things his way for the sake of it. It is IMO quite arrogant to assume he knows better than someone as successful as his predecessor. If we hadn't won a thing he would be justified in ringing the changes but we did and so he wasn't.

If he was the sort of man who was just happy to copy what Madge had done and not have any independent thought then I wouldn't have wanted him in the first place. The problems will come if he has changed things just to prove he's his own man.

Please explain why copying a successful formula is wrong? In any case he wouldn't be "copying" it - he was already part of it. Change for change sake is bonkers.

It was blindingly obvious from comments he made early on last season he was going to do things differently and he had no basis to think that was a smart thing to do. He had every reason to carry on with the system both he and Madge were running with when he was assistant.

I also don't believe for a minute you wouldn't want him had he carried on with the same system.

[DaveO]

How many on here wanted Wane to be given the opportunity as head coach once MM had departed.I seem to recall that quite a few of you did.We are now into SW's second season and only three games in and now you want his head.How fickle are we as supporters? We have had enough of the merry go round that was with the coaches.Give the guy a little longer then judge him.Rome was not built in a day.

I wanted Wane as coach as I expected continuity from Madge. We didn't get it as Wane has decided to do it his own way so that means for me, all bets are off. Nothing fickle at questioning a coaches unexpected decision to change a winning formula. He puts himself under greater scrutiny by doing so.

DaveO. You and every supporter have the right to question S Wane's tactical approach to each and every game as I am also guilty of this myself.However it still does not detract from the fact that he is still in his infancy as a coach.Whilst I also have the same desire for silverware as any other supporter I am also of the opinion that he should be given a little longer to either prove that he's the man for the job or that he is not capable of bringing silverware.My concern is that we do not go back to the bad old days of impatience and reintroduce the merry go round of this coach and that coach.My preference is that he be given at least until the end of this season to prove the doubters either right or wrong.I'm of a generation that remembers relegation and success so am willing to give him that opportunity.I also stand by my statement that some supporters are a fickle lot.It is not an utterance meant to offend but if people do feel offended by my comment could it be that I have hit a raw nerve.

No raw nerves here, merely pointing out that those wanting Wane as coach will have had their reasons but when those reasons disappear it isn't fickle to question him.

As to his tenure I expect him to be here at least until the end of the season and maybe even get the one year extension even if we don't win anything. His contract is two years with the option of a third I believe.

He will obviously get it if we bring a trophy home but I think he may well get that third year if we finish high up the league even if we miss out on any trophy including the LLS. I think IL will give him the benefit of the doubt as he did with Noble as the team is new and quite young and also because IL is mindful of the sackings tag Wigan got associated with.

Not sure the sackings tag is valid any more given we gave Noble four years, Madge had two and Wane would only be not be having his contract extended but I think IL is still wary of pro-actively getting shut of coaches!

This is despite IL's stated ambition for Wigan to get to one final or another.

If we don't win anything would this be a wise move or would it be merely postponing his exit for another season of under achievement for Wigan as happened with Noble? That will depend on how the side goes. If it plays like it did toward the end of last season I think that would he a hard sell to the fans. If it is on the end of the wrong results against top sides but plays like it did v Wire then that would make it easier to justify.

[chnwh]

Sam Tompkins said it on an interview with Sky commenting on how SW does things differently to Madge. This comment made me wonder one of two things;

The fact that you can't even spell the name of our best and no doubt most famous players name renders pretty much everything else you say as as much use as a chocolate fire guard.

We've played three games. We won the first with ease. In the second we drew with the pre-season favourites. We should have won the third but the only 100% side in the league defended as though their lives depended on it. It is hardly throw yourself in the canal time, and as Leeds have shown recently early season form means f all.

Go give your head a wobble and learn how to spell TOMKINS. You must read it and see it on his shirt enough f ing times!!!

[Owd Codger]

Only three games into the season and already the moaning has started in spite of the fact that we have got a draw with the bookies choice to win the title and a slight defeat away to a team at full strength who had trashed Saints. Not bad as far as I am concerned with the injuries we have and the last minute lost of Hock.

It's a long time to October!

[keptinthedarkfans]

chnwh. No wonder this site is dying a death. with comments like yours. WHAT HAS SPELLING GOT TO DO WITH HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME.Also your foul langauge is not warranted.I must be daft because I foolishly thought this site was for people to air there veiws and OWN OPINIONS. on the game.Not to be.Ridiculed over spelling in foul abusive language.I will now give my opinion.GROW UP

[sheepsteeth]

I've made the big time DaveO has dissected one of my posts!

the point is he was never gonna do things exactly the same. he's his own man so he's got his own ideas, no coach is perfect not even madge(who some on here moaned about in his last year). so for anyone to think everything would remain exactly the same was either deluded or naive.

I also know the clubs not there to massage his ego I'm just saying that he's the one who gets fired if he cocks up so he should do it his way at least that way he won't leave wondering what if!

for me the jury's still out. we have at times been scintillating but other times ordinary. I suppose the main problem is we've been ordinary at the wrong time!!

[DaveO]

I've made the big time DaveO has dissected one of my posts!

the point is he was never gonna do things exactly the same. he's his own man so he's got his own ideas, no coach is perfect not even madge(who some on here moaned about in his last year). so for anyone to think everything would remain exactly the same was either deluded or naive.

No one said he should do things exactly same rather that he shouldn't have chucked a successful game plan completely out of the window. Continuity doesn't mean doing things exactly the same. It means carrying on in the same vein.

I also know the clubs not there to massage his ego I'm just saying that he's the one who gets fired if he cocks up so he should do it his way at least that way he won't leave wondering what if!

That is all very well for him on a personal level but he has a responsibility to look after more than just his own personal satisfaction.

for me the jury's still out. we have at times been scintillating but other times ordinary. I suppose the main problem is we've been ordinary at the wrong time!!

I think it is still out as well. I do think though that the fact he has made such a radical change to the style of play leaves him open to criticism, which is where I came in. The previous system worked and last season his new system didn't work as well.

I would expect him to learn from it but he did come out with a completely daft statement last season which was along the lines of "I will do it my way even if it is the wrong way". Or very similar words to that.