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Re: Charnley
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:48 pm
by ddtftf
Cp email me at
ddtftf@aol.com
Re: Charnley
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:55 pm
by wall_of_voodoo
God wrote:
IMO they havent prooved themselves in Super League yet!!!
Is this a joke?
Seriously it is the individuals that are being sought not the team. The teams failings and inadequacy does not detract from the fact that most of talented players of the team could possibly be moving on
The thought I have is, with the serious financial difficulties many rl clubs currently find themselves in, is IL simply reducing costs etc in order to pre-empt the possible collapse of the super league as it stands
Re: Charnley
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:57 pm
by East Stand Faithful
Whelley Warrior wrote:DaveO wrote:Whelley Warrior wrote:
Unless our game can compete financially with Rugby Union and the NRL, supporters will have to face up to the problem of players looking elsewhere. All our game can do now is keep finding and producing replacements and hope that they show more interest in staying loyal to our game and clubs instead of wanting more money elsewhere.
Over the year's our club has never done too bad in finding players to replace players if and when they leave and will continue do so in the future, especially with having one of the best academies in the game.
So just to be clear then, you are of the opinion it doesn't matter how many players we lose because we can replace them with local talent?
And there is no point at which a player drain would concern you?
And pray what is your answer to the problem and for the record, not just talent from within the club which by the way is not all local, but also quality signings from elsewhere.
That is a fair question.
My view is that there is no short term answer. RL is buggered at the moment. The RFL needs to have a very good plan to turn the sport round from being a feeder to union and the NRL. You could bury your head in the sand and view this as mission impossible. Personally, I believe with astute management we could sort this. I believe RL is far more marketable to the British public than currently envisaged but the task is beyond the current administration who are incompetent.
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:36 am
by Kittwazzer
East Stand Faithful wrote:
My view is that there is no short term answer. RL is buggered at the moment. The RFL needs to have a very good plan to turn the sport round from being a feeder to union and the NRL. You could bury your head in the sand and view this as mission impossible. Personally, I believe with astute management we could sort this. I believe RL is far more marketable to the British public than currently envisaged but the task is beyond the current administration who are incompetent.
I'd agree with that summation. Its now just a question of how much damage will be done to the game before the incompetents realise there is a very real threat to their comfort zone!
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:33 am
by Owd Codger
cpwigan wrote:WW, nobody is perfect but I get far more right than wrong because I only use information from sources I trust. If DDTFTF says something then you/I/everybody need to take notice. Rather than trying to put everybody down all I will say is what I said previous, the man you questioned knows more people, knows far more about what goes on than you or I will ever know. He is very much worth listening too and taking note of. You really have no idea WW how far off the mark you were accusing him of being a Saints supporter.
My comments about the dark side of Billinge Hill was about rumours in general about Wigan players and not the one about Charnley by DDTFTF who no doubt is a true Warriors supporter as you say.
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:54 am
by cpwigan
Fair enough WW
To be honest it is not difficult for anybody incl our fans to work out who would be interested in SL players. There are only 2 markets, NRL or Union. I prefer the NRL option as it keeps the talent in League and still available to represent GB on the international front. To see how much George Burgess has progressed suggest from a player development the NRL can boost individual players far more than the RFL / SL / Union.
One thing everybody who posts needs to remember SOMETIMES the rumour is fueled by people representing the interests of a club or the person themself, particularly when their contract is getting close to renewal.
SOME SL club owners are basically hawking their players to the NRL because they want to lower the cap not raise it AND/OR they believe they have far more junior talent on their doorstep to mitigate the potential exodus of talent from SL and still win competitions. Again not difficult to work out who has that idea.
Personally, I think the amount of world class talent playing RL in Britain is far from endless and may be shrinking. The way the RFL has started to cut back on RL development officers / coaches was/is a grave mistake IMO. I hate seeing RFU development officers is their sponsored easily identified cars arriving at Wigan schools to coach / develop RU against ZERO from the RFL which is what is happening now.
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:30 pm
by doc
CP, didn't the development officers get cut when the RFL had their funding cut by Sport England? Nothing much the RFL could do about that to be fair to them but they are hopeless in many other areas of administration.
I read somewhere this week that Jamie Peacock was advocating reducing the cap to £1 million. This is not only two faced in that he has made his money and and now wants to prevent future stars of the game earning similar sums but will also lead to an even bigger exodus of players to Australia and RU.
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 4:13 pm
by cpwigan
doc wrote:CP, didn't the development officers get cut when the RFL had their funding cut by Sport England? Nothing much the RFL could do about that to be fair to them but they are hopeless in many other areas of administration.
I read somewhere this week that Jamie Peacock was advocating reducing the cap to £1 million. This is not only two faced in that he has made his money and and now wants to prevent future stars of the game earning similar sums but will also lead to an even bigger exodus of players to Australia and RU.
They did Doc but nobody from any club or the RFL even baulked at losing them or arguing their funding should be found by making cuts elsewhere.
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:46 pm
by markill
cpwigan wrote:doc wrote:CP, didn't the development officers get cut when the RFL had their funding cut by Sport England? Nothing much the RFL could do about that to be fair to them but they are hopeless in many other areas of administration.
I read somewhere this week that Jamie Peacock was advocating reducing the cap to £1 million. This is not only two faced in that he has made his money and and now wants to prevent future stars of the game earning similar sums but will also lead to an even bigger exodus of players to Australia and RU.
They did Doc but nobody from any club or the RFL even baulked at losing them or arguing their funding should be found by making cuts elsewhere.
Wasn't funding cut in large parts because participation was down? Then cutting development staff just reinforces the problem. Its like when poorly performing schools have their funding cut...its not likely to improve the situation.
As for Peacock, he was advocating a general cut in cap with the addition of star players allowance that don't go against the cap.
Re: Charnley
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 11:38 pm
by ancientnloyal
Can unfollow him on twitter then. Bloody clothing and tattoos.