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Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:Sounds idealistic but there is nothing to stop people creating one if they really feel they can do a better job and have something to say worth hearing

But would members of another new party also join the gravy train when established in Parliament?

Whelley Warrior wrote:

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:Sounds idealistic but there is nothing to stop people creating one if they really feel they can do a better job and have something to say worth hearing

But would members of another new party also join the gravy train when established in Parliament?

Exactly, as proven by the Social Democrats that became the Lib Dems

Whelley Warrior wrote:

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:Sounds idealistic but there is nothing to stop people creating one if they really feel they can do a better job and have something to say worth hearing

But would members of another new party also join the gravy train when established in Parliament?

probably so such is life the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutley" comes to mind and im guessing the closer you get to the main parties the more you corrupt you would need to be to compete.

Like i say, im by no means saying the government are whiter than white but i do believe there are some hard working MP's out there and to tarnish them all with the same brush is probably a little unfair.

Whelley Warrior wrote:

i'm spartacus wrote:

Whelley Warrior wrote: And members of the so called Independent Parliamentary Panel are?

Non of them are MP's, so your point is?

I made the comment because many people do not know who they are. Maybe, there are no MP's on this panel, but are any ex. MP's or people who have connections with the political parties or make donations to them.

Perhaps, you can enlighten us of its membership.

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/Ab ... utive.aspx


The whole point of having an independent body set the pay is to avoid accusation of impropriety. One of them is an ex MP, but I would see that as being necessary in order to actually know what the job entails. I don't accept that anyone would want their salary decided by someone who has no detailed experience of the job.

For those who believe that despite the 'independent' tag, the body is in some way worked from behind by the government. You should be aware that this body is created under statute, and it's decisions if suspect would be open to challenge in the courts. The presence on the board of a former high court judge would make that a fairly remote possibility.

Civil servants IIRC Spartacus

i'm spartacus wrote:

Whelley Warrior wrote:

i'm spartacus wrote:
Non of them are MP's, so your point is?

I made the comment because many people do not know who they are. Maybe, there are no MP's on this panel, but are any ex. MP's or people who have connections with the political parties or make donations to them.

Perhaps, you can enlighten us of its membership.

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/Ab ... utive.aspx


The whole point of having an independent body set the pay is to avoid accusation of impropriety. One of them is an ex MP, but I would see that as being necessary in order to actually know what the job entails. I don't accept that anyone would want their salary decided by someone who has no detailed experience of the job.

For those who believe that despite the 'independent' tag, the body is in some way worked from behind by the government. You should be aware that this body is created under statute, and it's decisions if suspect would be open to challenge in the courts. The presence on the board of a former high court judge would make that a fairly remote possibility.

If he is anything like the former Lord Denning, no surprise that they are getting 11%.

Bent as a dog's hind leg was Denning!

Whelley Warrior wrote:

i'm spartacus wrote:

Whelley Warrior wrote:

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/Ab ... utive.aspx


The whole point of having an independent body set the pay is to avoid accusation of impropriety. One of them is an ex MP, but I would see that as being necessary in order to actually know what the job entails. I don't accept that anyone would want their salary decided by someone who has no detailed experience of the job.

For those who believe that despite the 'independent' tag, the body is in some way worked from behind by the government. You should be aware that this body is created under statute, and it's decisions if suspect would be open to challenge in the courts. The presence on the board of a former high court judge would make that a fairly remote possibility.

If he is anything like the former Lord Denning, no surprise that they are getting 11%.

Bent as a dog's hind leg was Denning!

Maybe you could provide some evidence of where and when Lord Denning was 'bent'

i'm spartacus wrote:

Whelley Warrior wrote:

i'm spartacus wrote:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/Ab ... utive.aspx


The whole point of having an independent body set the pay is to avoid accusation of impropriety. One of them is an ex MP, but I would see that as being necessary in order to actually know what the job entails. I don't accept that anyone would want their salary decided by someone who has no detailed experience of the job.

For those who believe that despite the 'independent' tag, the body is in some way worked from behind by the government. You should be aware that this body is created under statute, and it's decisions if suspect would be open to challenge in the courts. The presence on the board of a former high court judge would make that a fairly remote possibility.

If he is anything like the former Lord Denning, no surprise that they are getting 11%.

Bent as a dog's hind leg was Denning!

Maybe you could provide some evidence of where and when Lord Denning was 'bent'

His opinion on the Guildford Four verdict for which he had to apologise and his support for the establishment against the trade union movement being just two examples.

has anyone seen that great PM gordon brown. he was brilliant

Whelley Warrior wrote:

i'm spartacus wrote:

Whelley Warrior wrote: If he is anything like the former Lord Denning, no surprise that they are getting 11%.

Bent as a dog's hind leg was Denning!

Maybe you could provide some evidence of where and when Lord Denning was 'bent'

His opinion on the Guildford Four verdict for which he had to apologise and his support for the establishment against the trade union movement being just two examples.

:eusa2: :eusa2: Spot on WW