markill wrote:
Unless you were to tell us which players of Hull KR you feel should have been cited but weren't I'm not really sure what merit there is to your point? Does it similarly apply to all the other clubs who had more citations than their opponents this week? Four other teams have had more citations than us this season from Super League games. I'd stop worrying about your conspiracy theories if I were you.
4 out of 13 isn'r a happy statistic I would suggest.
I also think it's not about the number of citations a team gets but more about how many certain teams/players get away with!!
Point them out to the RFL. Not in a bitter "you're a bunch of bent cheating so and so's because something went against my team way" though. In a "please can you help me understand why this wasn't considered" way.
One thing I wonder is if some clubs are more likely than others to bring incidents to the attention of the mrp, as all are allowed to do. That would be worth looking into - I.e. worry less about who gets cited and look at who the matches they are cited in are against. Don't know if there's anything in it, just something I've been wondering but not looked into yet.
I agree with Mark. While there are inconsistencies I can remember times this season when I have been relieved that some of our players have not been charged eg Bowen just before WCC.
I have never gone down the road of 'poor Wigan' when it comes to the RFL Disciplinary, I just think in general it is very inconsistent but I do believe certain teams/players are very lucky all too often.
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TrueBlueWarrior wrote:I have never gone down the road of 'poor Wigan' when it comes to the RFL Disciplinary, I just think in general it is very inconsistent but I do believe certain teams/players are very lucky all too often.
That's good to know - I'm sure you can tell it frustrates me when people cry there is deliberate bias. There are players I agree seem lucky to have such clean records. Cunningham was definitely one for me, Ablett is another, probably Joel Tomkins too if I'm honest - used to react quite easily to penalties on his brother and had a lot of dangerous contact type incidents looked at too.
I agree the MRP do seem fairly inconsistent, although to an extent they rely on being made aware on incidents and being provided the footage to adequately review them (the DVD inconclusive cop out is a particular thing I dislike). The disciplinary committee in my opinion though are pretty consistent to the point where you can get a decent expectation of what will happen once you've read the charge. I don't always agree with their decisions but can almost always rationalise them. So, the issue it's how do we make the MRP part of the process more robust. From that point of view its a shame they don't have an 'ask the MRP' twitter thing like they have with the referees.
markill wrote:
I agree the MRP do seem fairly inconsistent, although to an extent they rely on being made aware on incidents and being provided the footage to adequately review them (the DVD inconclusive cop out is a particular thing I dislike). The disciplinary committee in my opinion though are pretty consistent to the point where you can get a decent expectation of what will happen once you've read the charge. I don't always agree with their decisions but can almost always rationalise them. So, the issue it's how do we make the MRP part of the process more robust. From that point of view its a shame they don't have an 'ask the MRP' twitter thing like they have with the referees.
Sorry for being thick, but what does MRP mean? :conf:
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markill wrote:
I agree the MRP do seem fairly inconsistent, although to an extent they rely on being made aware on incidents and being provided the footage to adequately review them (the DVD inconclusive cop out is a particular thing I dislike). The disciplinary committee in my opinion though are pretty consistent to the point where you can get a decent expectation of what will happen once you've read the charge. I don't always agree with their decisions but can almost always rationalise them. So, the issue it's how do we make the MRP part of the process more robust. From that point of view its a shame they don't have an 'ask the MRP' twitter thing like they have with the referees.
Sorry for being thick, but what does MRP mean? :conf:
markill wrote:
I agree the MRP do seem fairly inconsistent, although to an extent they rely on being made aware on incidents and being provided the footage to adequately review them (the DVD inconclusive cop out is a particular thing I dislike). The disciplinary committee in my opinion though are pretty consistent to the point where you can get a decent expectation of what will happen once you've read the charge. I don't always agree with their decisions but can almost always rationalise them. So, the issue it's how do we make the MRP part of the process more robust. From that point of view its a shame they don't have an 'ask the MRP' twitter thing like they have with the referees.
Sorry for being thick, but what does MRP mean? :conf:
Match Review Panel?
Thank Doc
Anyone can support a team when it is winning, that takes no courage.
But to stand behind a team, to defend a team when it is down and really needs you,
that takes a lot of courage. #18thMan
Whelley Warrior wrote:Yet again, following the game against Hull K R, three Wigan players cited, but only one from the Robins.
It's the same after nearly every game!
Unless you were to tell us which players of Hull KR you feel should have been cited but weren't I'm not really sure what merit there is to your point? Does it similarly apply to all the other clubs who had more citations than their opponents this week? Four other teams have had more citations than us this season from Super League games. I'd stop worrying about your conspiracy theories if I were you.
My comment was just a observation on what takes place after many games involving Wigan where the opposition commit as many, if not more worse offences than Wigan, but end up with less players cited. Like for example the recent games against Catalan and Salford.
No conspiracy theories, like I said, a observation about inconsistency which even our good friend, Gary Hetherington has commented on.
Whelley Warrior wrote:Yet again, following the game against Hull K R, three Wigan players cited, but only one from the Robins.
It's the same after nearly every game!
Unless you were to tell us which players of Hull KR you feel should have been cited but weren't I'm not really sure what merit there is to your point? Does it similarly apply to all the other clubs who had more citations than their opponents this week? Four other teams have had more citations than us this season from Super League games. I'd stop worrying about your conspiracy theories if I were you.
My comment was just a observation on what takes place after many games involving Wigan where the opposition commit as many, if not more worse offences than Wigan, but end up with less players cited. Like for example the recent games against Catalan and Salford.
No conspiracy theories, like I said, a observation about inconsistency which even our good friend, Gary Hetherington has commented on.
What offences though? I ask because, other than the Catalan game where their players were picked up, I can't recall any.
In the Catalan game, one of your examples, there was 1 Wigan player cited, 6 Catalan players. In the recent home game against Salford it was 2 Wigan, 1 Salford, although in the away game earlier this season it was 3 Salford 0 Wigan.
In fact, I'm very confident that if you looked to add some fact into your opinion then over the course of the season and maybe not just that last 2/3 games that it will be pretty even in terms of games where we have had more incidents reviewed by the MRP, games our opponent has more, and games where it has been the same.
markill wrote:
Unless you were to tell us which players of Hull KR you feel should have been cited but weren't I'm not really sure what merit there is to your point? Does it similarly apply to all the other clubs who had more citations than their opponents this week? Four other teams have had more citations than us this season from Super League games. I'd stop worrying about your conspiracy theories if I were you.
My comment was just a observation on what takes place after many games involving Wigan where the opposition commit as many, if not more worse offences than Wigan, but end up with less players cited. Like for example the recent games against Catalan and Salford.
No conspiracy theories, like I said, a observation about inconsistency which even our good friend, Gary Hetherington has commented on.
What offences though? I ask because, other than the Catalan game where their players were picked up, I can't recall any.
In the Catalan game, one of your examples, there was 1 Wigan player cited, 6 Catalan players. In the recent home game against Salford it was 2 Wigan, 1 Salford, although in the away game earlier this season it was 3 Salford 0 Wigan.
In fact, I'm very confident that if you looked to add some fact into your opinion then over the course of the season and maybe not just that last 2/3 games that it will be pretty even in terms of games where we have had more incidents reviewed by the MRP, games our opponent has more, and games where it has been the same.
markill, will you stop it with those facts, you're ruining all that supposition.
