Ian Lenagan and The Salary Cap

[TrueBlueWarrior]

This is sensible discussion about IL's attitude to the salary cap and the salary cap itself.

So it isn't "swiping at anything to do with the club" but if you are so sensitive such that you think it is, why read the stuff and stress about? It clearly annoys you so why bother?

Such discussions would also be better minus comments such as yours above which add absolutely nothing to the discussion itself and are just taking a swipe at the people posting in the thread.

I actually agree with you DaveO but I am uncomfortable with you taking the morale high ground when on another sensible thread you said 'Anybody that doesn't think Locke is a quality player is an idiot.' In my opinion that comment added absolutely nothing to that discussion either.

And just what does yours above add to this one? Why didn't you keep comments about that in that thread if you wanted to prolong the indignation? Or are you going to follow me around the threads looking for excuse to mention it?

You are second poster in this thread to derail it with posts about posters not the topic.

Just pointing out DaveO that the site isn't one rule for one and another rule for another. You can't expect posters to behave in a certain way when you don't yourself, it's called 'double standards'.

[Spion Kop]

But aren't we seeing an attitude of once they are worth something sell them, there is always another youngster waiting?, i.e they never get that second contract offered or if they do its of an amount that makes it only an option to stay at Wigan if you never want to play for another team?

that's the impression I get that idea our squad is made up 80% of youth talent augmented with a few either "projects" or solid players from elsewhere

Thats pretty much it.

[old hooker]

The only reason we are competing reasonably well this season is because the standard of SL has declined drastically.A good example of the so called top players in SL was demonstrated last night in the Widnes v Cas game.Kevin Brown was mentioned last night as the most talented English player in the competition.There were also ott compliments for Shenton who failed at Saints and has only looked half decent against the lower teams, and Luke Dorn who has been a journeyman player for several sides but all of a sudden is elevated to being a great player.The problem is that when great players do leave SL they are replaced by inferior players and no one is more guilty of signing players on the cheap than we are.

[DaveO]

Since his arrival IL has won the LLS twice, Grand Final twice and the Challenge Cup twice.
That is a record better than any other club chairman in that period and is excellent in that it's a spread of all three trophies. He's owned the club for six complete seasons and won a trophy for each of those years.
Wire so far can't win the League and Leeds so far haven't won the C Cup since 1999.
Ian Lenegan works the Salary Cap like the fiddle it is and does it better than any of his counterparts.

Exactly!

I can't believe there are two people who think IL "works the Salary Cap like the fiddle" when it is so obvious Hetherington at Leeds manages it million times better as the results clearly show.

[Wiganer Ted]

It's intersting how one can interpret stats.
IL has been at Wigan for six full seasons and won six trophies.
Hetherington in his first six seasons at Leeds won only the C Cup.
GH has been at Leeds for 18 full seasons and won 12 trophies. They are 6 GF's, 3 WCC, 2LLS & 1 C Cup.

In the period of SL, Saints have been the most successful club winning 14 trophies. Wigan and Leeds tie with 12 each, Bradford next having won 9

Hetherington has done well at Leeds but no better than Wigan, and not as well as Saints, despite us at Wigan not managing the Salary cap at all until Ian Lenagan bought the club.

That Hetherington has managed the SC better than Wigan or Ian Lenagan doesn't appear to be the case on (my) reading of the evidence! He certainly hasn't managed it better than Saints. Given that Saints haven't won anything since 2008



PL Note - Stats from Bilko's site and the Rhinos site.

[pedro]

It's intersting how one can interpret stats.
IL has been at Wigan for six full seasons and won six trophies.
Hetherington in his first six seasons at Leeds won only the C Cup.
GH has been at Leeds for 18 full seasons and won 12 trophies. They are 6 GF's, 3 WCC, 2LLS & 1 C Cup.

In the period of SL, Saints have been the most successful club winning 14 trophies. Wigan and Leeds tie with 12 each, Bradford next having won 9

Hetherington has done well at Leeds but no better than Wigan, and not as well as Saints, despite us at Wigan not managing the Salary cap at all until Ian Lenagan bought the club.

That Hetherington has managed the SC better than Wigan or Ian Lenagan doesn't appear to be the case on (my) reading of the evidence! He certainly hasn't managed it better than Saints. Given that Saints haven't won anything since 2008



PL Note - Stats from Bilko's site and the Rhinos site.

what about salary cap years though?

[Nezza Faz]

Big meeting on Monday for all the SL Clubs to vote on an extension to the Salary Cap, granting each team the allowance of ONE 'marquee' player, outside the Cap.

Last time they met, Wigan voted for this, but it didn't reach the minimum of 8 Clubs in favour (only 5 voted positively, and Saints not one of them!)

This will allow clubs to buy one player and not count him under the cap, so it's a fairly big move and one that should favour the leading clubs. Could lead to a star player coming from Oz/NZ.

[Panchitta Marra]

Big meeting on Monday for all the SL Clubs to vote on an extension to the Salary Cap, granting each team the allowance of ONE 'marquee' player, outside the Cap.

Last time they met, Wigan voted for this, but it didn't reach the minimum of 8 Clubs in favour (only 5 voted positively, and Saints not one of them!)

This will allow clubs to buy one player and not count him under the cap, so it's a fairly big move and one that should favour the leading clubs. Could lead to a star player coming from Oz/NZ.

And also keep Dr Koukash out of la merde.

[cpwigan]

The bottom line is whether you criticise Wigan RLFC OR not, we are all passionate supporters of the club / RL. Personalised attacks are not needed! Debating a subject/topic is what any forum including this one is about!

[cpwigan]

FWIIW, I think ending the salary cap would achieve far more good than bad. If the Dr wants to spend his money, let him! The end result is far better than the present time where the NRL can take players as and when they please. If our International game had any impact then those losses could be of benefit. However, international RL is way behind what it would need to be. Moreover, I am not convinced Australia are genuinely concerned enough to want to improve the game world wide. Remember, this is a country where large sections of it are happy playing their OWN sport with NO INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION.

Yes, we can raise the cap but lets say we raise it by 5% / 10%. What will that achieve? The same small pool of players getting paid a little more, in some cases too much! The marquee player is a better compromise, rewarding home grown player development would be another alternative but the benefit / freedom needs to be significant.

However, as long as said owner is prepared to accept liability for spending in his tenure then let owners spend what they want. Wigan is relatively unique but eve here it need bold ambitious spending on world class players to wake the sport up from its 70's malaise. Ignore what people from other clubs will try to make you believe. Wigan benefitted the ENTIRE SPORT OF RL! Investment / interest was far higher and young boys wanted to be Ellery Hanley, Brett Kenny, Shaun Edwards etc etc.

To achieve the sme level of interest in Salford/Manchester requires far greater investment / bolder plans that are currently possible. We need to be free to compete against the NRL (I personally think the RFU whilst still interested in League talent are less so currently). We need to be free to create a lasting legacy that benefits RL in Britain!

If people cry clubs will go bust! They already do! Reduce the size of SL even more if need be or better still attract more media / commercial investment.