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DaveO wrote:Flower cost us the match. No two ways about it.

He's pro player and he will rightly be looking for the ground to swallow him up.

No excuse for the second punch at all which is the one that meant he had to go.

You can't play for 78 mins and expect to win and the fact we kept them to 14 shows they were there for the taking.

Until Flower through that punch. What a way to lose a final to Saints, hand it too them in plate.

Yep. Flower 2014 will go down in history alongside Clarke 1966!

BriH wrote:

DaveO wrote:Flower cost us the match. No two ways about it.

He's pro player and he will rightly be looking for the ground to swallow him up.

No excuse for the second punch at all which is the one that meant he had to go.

You can't play for 78 mins and expect to win and the fact we kept them to 14 shows they were there for the taking.

Until Flower through that punch. What a way to lose a final to Saints, hand it too them in plate.

DaveO, I agree with every word you've said.
Flower has let himself down, his team mates, his coach, his Club and, most importantly, the spectators.
I would get rid of him now.
Shame on him.

My sentiments exactly I'm afraid. Ben Flower =Brain Fart!!

Wandering Warrior wrote:

BriH wrote:

DaveO wrote:Flower cost us the match. No two ways about it.

He's pro player and he will rightly be looking for the ground to swallow him up.

No excuse for the second punch at all which is the one that meant he had to go.

You can't play for 78 mins and expect to win and the fact we kept them to 14 shows they were there for the taking.

Until Flower through that punch. What a way to lose a final to Saints, hand it too them in plate.

DaveO, I agree with every word you've said.
Flower has let himself down, his team mates, his coach, his Club and, most importantly, the spectators.
I would get rid of him now.
Shame on him.

My sentiments exactly I'm afraid. Ben Flower =Brain Fart!!

I would say Hohaia deserved being dropped!!

BriH wrote:

slimshady wrote:

BriH wrote: DaveO, I agree with every word you've said.
Flower has let himself down, his team mates, his coach, his Club and, most importantly, the spectators.
I would get rid of him now.
Shame on him.

Yes lets sack Waney too for getting him fired up
Get a grip you bell end

What's a bell end? Are you one? Takes one to know one.

I must be one too for agreeing!
Just to clarify the meaning it means you are in the thick of the action!!

cpwigan wrote:

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:

cpwigan wrote:Flower was assaulted off the ball with a double forearm smash and he retaliated. Surely, a double sending off :exc:

Of course not

Just as 5 minutes holding down a player in a professional foul after they make a break is not a sin binning.

Forget Flower, the bastards did us!

Never meant to win tonight

Too simplistic you can go back further to flower throwing Hohia to the ground seconds before hohia elbowed him. The first punch was enough he made it too easy for the ref. one punch = 2 x yellows IMO but when you do something like that you make a victim and a victim rarely gets punished

I don't think the refereeing was that bad too be honest

He was abysmal!

Yardage was different for both teams. No sin binning for a professional foul. Saints repeatedly broke from scrums early never penalised. Play of the balls were pathetic for Saints, you can at least pretend to play the ball. Saint prop deliberately drops the ball several times trying to cheat for cheap penalties and Bentham knows it / sees it but oddly 2nd half he stop seeing what is obvious. It must have been a strong half time discussion!

Thing is though co this is no different from every other game every week. The professional fouls very very very rarely get punished. The breaking of the scrubs again is common, and POTB isn't even worth looking at we got away with just as many. I think there was a couple of poor calls but overall I don't think it was a particularly bad performance wigan were lying on something chronic and got away with

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:

cpwigan wrote:

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote: Too simplistic you can go back further to flower throwing Hohia to the ground seconds before hohia elbowed him. The first punch was enough he made it too easy for the ref. one punch = 2 x yellows IMO but when you do something like that you make a victim and a victim rarely gets punished

I don't think the refereeing was that bad too be honest

He was abysmal!

Yardage was different for both teams. No sin binning for a professional foul. Saints repeatedly broke from scrums early never penalised. Play of the balls were pathetic for Saints, you can at least pretend to play the ball. Saint prop deliberately drops the ball several times trying to cheat for cheap penalties and Bentham knows it / sees it but oddly 2nd half he stop seeing what is obvious. It must have been a strong half time discussion!

Thing is though co this is no different from every other game every week. The professional fouls very very very rarely get punished. The breaking of the scrubs again is common, and POTB isn't even worth looking at we got away with just as many. I think there was a couple of poor calls but overall I don't think it was a particularly bad performance wigan were lying on something chronic and got away with

I would say not sending Hohaia off made his performance abysmal!!

TrueBlueWarrior wrote:

Wigan_forever19​85​ wrote:

cpwigan wrote: He was abysmal!

Yardage was different for both teams. No sin binning for a professional foul. Saints repeatedly broke from scrums early never penalised. Play of the balls were pathetic for Saints, you can at least pretend to play the ball. Saint prop deliberately drops the ball several times trying to cheat for cheap penalties and Bentham knows it / sees it but oddly 2nd half he stop seeing what is obvious. It must have been a strong half time discussion!

Thing is though co this is no different from every other game every week. The professional fouls very very very rarely get punished. The breaking of the scrubs again is common, and POTB isn't even worth looking at we got away with just as many. I think there was a couple of poor calls but overall I don't think it was a particularly bad performance wigan were lying on something chronic and got away with

I would say not sending Hohaia off made his performance abysmal!!

Ben flower made that call IMO. If hohia elbows flower and flower hits once or even a few times (providing he was standing after the first) it's agressor retaliator both yellows. As soon as flower hits him again that changes to attacker/victim, from that point hohia is now immune rightly or wrongly. I suspect this would be exactly the same had the roles been reversed. Flowers problem was it was too good a punch, this has been a common them, basically you punishment is usually in line with the effectiveness of your attack (again wrongly but that's how it happens). Lance hohia could punch flower square on and not be punished because he wouldn't even tickle him, roles reversed flower hit him with a peach but at the point of the first punch its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, the second punch makes it flower in the wrong

But like you keep saying it's wrong and shouldn't be like that! The bottom line is both should have been sent off if following the rule book and I am led to believe that Bentham being the official should surely be following the letter of the law, even if Hohaia was dead!!

Like I say what Hohaia did to Flower could have resulted in a broken jaw and if it has NOT ONE of you would be criticizing Flower. Yet, the last time I read the rules written / unwritten; the extent of the injury does not have any influence on the punishment. Yet, all those abusing Flower with label like coward would argue it did.

Double sending off, sin bin for a professional foul on Charnley a few minutes later IGNORED You no longer have a game with any credibility. We were never meant to win tonight!

[quote="Garydog"]Would have thought he might have got away with a yellow for the first punch, but the second one needs a lot of explaining, or is it just need?
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Adrian Morley deja vu. No way was he going to stay on the pitch once it was repeatedly shown on tele but even so we played by far the best rugby all game and so very nearly won. Onto next season.