Whelley Warrior wrote:If true, it will be no different than Charnley a couple of seasons ago, who also was allowed to go on loan in order to get more first team game time to take over from Bowen who like Green is on a two year short term contract.
What the hell are you on about?
If anyone can interpret this gibberish then please do so. Green has left so has NO 2 year deal and Charnley did not (and will not) replace Bowen. I am sure you post for postings sake at times :sly:
Back on topic.
I would not be too keen on him plying his trade at HKR. Why would he need to do that? Suggests more than anything that a first team spot is not his and if one was to be available then it would only be fullback. After Bowen's misfiring season I for one would not be too happy guaranteeing him his place, nor pigeon holing Hampshire into that spot.
Now Green has left it is imperative Wigan give Hampshire his chance there (rather than HKR) and let Powell and Williams fight out the interchange for McIlorum.
+1.
Hampshire is a stand off and needs game time AT WIGAN.
To play powell at 6 ahead of Hampshire is a backwards move as far as I see it.
I guess him going to KR also means he misses out on a good pre-season grounding with Wigan that would have brought him on a long way too.
Whelley Warrior wrote:If true, it will be no different than Charnley a couple of seasons ago, who also was allowed to go on loan in order to get more first team game time to take over from Bowen who like Green is on a two year short term contract.
What the hell are you on about?
If anyone can interpret this gibberish then please do so. Green has left so has NO 2 year deal and Charnley did not (and will not) replace Bowen. I am sure you post for postings sake at times :sly:
Back on topic.
I would not be too keen on him plying his trade at HKR. Why would he need to do that? Suggests more than anything that a first team spot is not his and if one was to be available then it would only be fullback. After Bowen's misfiring season I for one would not be too happy guaranteeing him his place, nor pigeon holing Hampshire into that spot.
Now Green has left it is imperative Wigan give Hampshire his chance there (rather than HKR) and let Powell and Williams fight out the interchange for McIlorum.
+1.
Hampshire is a stand off and needs game time AT WIGAN.
To play powell at 6 ahead of Hampshire is a backwards move as far as I see it.
I guess him going to KR also means he misses out on a good pre-season grounding with Wigan that would have brought him on a long way too.
It would appear that like Sam, the Coaching Staff think different on Hampshire, and at the end of the day, it is their decision despite what some supporters may think.
butt monkey wrote:
What the hell are you on about?
If anyone can interpret this gibberish then please do so. Green has left so has NO 2 year deal and Charnley did not (and will not) replace Bowen. I am sure you post for postings sake at times :sly:
Back on topic.
I would not be too keen on him plying his trade at HKR. Why would he need to do that? Suggests more than anything that a first team spot is not his and if one was to be available then it would only be fullback. After Bowen's misfiring season I for one would not be too happy guaranteeing him his place, nor pigeon holing Hampshire into that spot.
Now Green has left it is imperative Wigan give Hampshire his chance there (rather than HKR) and let Powell and Williams fight out the interchange for McIlorum.
+1.
Hampshire is a stand off and needs game time AT WIGAN.
To play powell at 6 ahead of Hampshire is a backwards move as far as I see it.
I guess him going to KR also means he misses out on a good pre-season grounding with Wigan that would have brought him on a long way too.
It would appear that like Sam, the Coaching Staff think different on Hampshire, and at the end of the day, it is their decision despite what some supporters may think.
How could it be any other way than a coaching staff/management decision WW, they simply couldn't afford my consultancy charges.
It will be interesting to see how the option of playing Hampshire at fullback progresses.
butt monkey wrote:
What the hell are you on about?
If anyone can interpret this gibberish then please do so. Green has left so has NO 2 year deal and Charnley did not (and will not) replace Bowen. I am sure you post for postings sake at times :sly:
Back on topic.
I would not be too keen on him plying his trade at HKR. Why would he need to do that? Suggests more than anything that a first team spot is not his and if one was to be available then it would only be fullback. After Bowen's misfiring season I for one would not be too happy guaranteeing him his place, nor pigeon holing Hampshire into that spot.
Now Green has left it is imperative Wigan give Hampshire his chance there (rather than HKR) and let Powell and Williams fight out the interchange for McIlorum.
+1.
Hampshire is a stand off and needs game time AT WIGAN.
To play powell at 6 ahead of Hampshire is a backwards move as far as I see it.
I guess him going to KR also means he misses out on a good pre-season grounding with Wigan that would have brought him on a long way too.
It would appear that like Sam, the Coaching Staff think different on Hampshire, and at the end of the day, it is their decision despite what some supporters may think.
Does the fact some supporters may think about these things and have an opinion different to the coaching staff offend you in some way?
Does it irritate you that they voice these opinions on the forum? It certainly appears to.
The club doesn't always get it right. The signings of Lauaki and Andy Powell were greeted by many as poor and that is how they turned out to be as two examples that spring to mind. Should the fans have just said "it is their decision despite what some supporters may think." and that be the end of it?
If so, what is the point of this forum and why are you here?
Confused,com. Why should Powell and Williams fight for the interchange ,ie back up no9,when they are halfbacks.? Should they not play half back? Should we not have a back up no9 who can also play second row,ie Bateman and Hughes who do not look top standard in their positions but can cover the no 9 role adequately. The half backs are not up to the job. Why would they be?
cherry.pie wrote:I could understand Hampshire going on loan as he has to either be in the Wigan first team or out on dual registration (I'm assuming we still have the agreement with Workington, despite it being farcical in the new set up). There's no guarantee he'll make the first team on a regular basis as there is plenty of competition but he's probably too good to be playing in the tier below. He's demonstrated already that he's got the skills to play in Super League (for those who saw him at academy level it's never been in doubt) and it's only really the physical aspect of the game which remains an unanswered question.
We definitely need a replacement for Green and as it stands, Williams has been the most impressive of the three young halves who could replace him. He's most comfortable playing on the left and is the most physical and direct of those available so he's the closest we'll get to a like-for-like replacement.
Powell hasn't really stood out but also hasn't had much stability. He was a very highly rated junior and some players will take a few years to really adjust to playing regularly in Super League. He shouldn't be written off and he has filled in at stand off quite well previously (and had an outstanding game in the friendly against NZ Warriors which made him first name on the team sheet for the WCC before getting injured).
They are likely to be the two preferred options and with both being capable understudies at hooker they are a good fit for the side.
Hampshire as a youngster has probably been more highly rated than both Williams and Powell but lacks size, strength and physicality. That's not unusual for a halfback but it gives Powell and Williams an advantage.
My concern with Hampshire is that the club will see Powell and Williams as the main contenders for the halfback role and because of Hampshire's weaker defence will try to make him into a fullback. It already looks to be happening but I'd always hoped it was a case of Hampshire being so good that he had to be given an opportunity somewhere and the club were simply giving him chances when the opportunity arose.
He's shown some excellent attacking play at fullback, but I also think he's been prevented from showing even more of his attacking game while in that position. He also looks far from confident under the high ball. That's not impossible to fix but when you're looking for a first choice player in a key position that's a big weakness.
Bowen has had his issues but he's looked confident and composed over 90% of the time but has come up with some real howlers in big games. Hampshire has generally lacked confidence defensively in every game.
It's possible that Bowen will have another average season next year but he could also do what many overseas players have and have a much better second season after a slow start.
Our best fullback this year was Sarginson. He now looks to have cemented his place at left centre but I don't think that means he shouldn't be considered at fullback. I think overall fullback is a more important position than centre and he's the best fit right now to be our next permanent fullback. As long as there is adequate cover at centre then it would have to be considered and I'd feel more confident with Sarginson at fullback and Thornley at centre (despite Thornley's drawbacks) than I would with Hampshire playing fullback.
That could all change of course. Most young players will continually be improving and Hampshire will no doubt be the same. With time it might work for him at fullback but at the moment he's probably not likely to be first choice at either fullback or stand off but could really benefit from playing rugby at Super League level.
Mind you, there's the possibility that any Super League club that did take him on loan would play him at fullback anyway and I'm not sure that will really ask the questions of him that need answering.
Good post Cherry and I'm with you all the way with what you say.
Maybe the fact that Williams and Powell can back up at 9 puts them ahead of Hampshire.
I fear for Hampshire's future if he is pushed towards the fullback position as he will be found out under the high ball and his confidence could just drop away and we loose the most talented young 6 Wigan has had for a number of years.
Panchitta Marra wrote:
+1.
Hampshire is a stand off and needs game time AT WIGAN.
To play powell at 6 ahead of Hampshire is a backwards move as far as I see it.
I guess him going to KR also means he misses out on a good pre-season grounding with Wigan that would have brought him on a long way too.
It would appear that like Sam, the Coaching Staff think different on Hampshire, and at the end of the day, it is their decision despite what some supporters may think.
Does the fact some supporters may think about these things and have an opinion different to the coaching staff offend you in some way?
Does it irritate you that they voice these opinions on the forum? It certainly appears to.
The club doesn't always get it right. The signings of Lauaki and Andy Powell were greeted by many as poor and that is how they turned out to be as two examples that spring to mind. Should the fans have just said "it is their decision despite what some supporters may think." and that be the end of it?
If so, what is the point of this forum and why are you here?
I have never said that the club are perfect in regard to signings and only said that the club were doing with Hampshire what they did with Charnley by allowing him to go to Hull KR on loan in order to get more first game time and experience which he will not get here with Bowen being the full back to the end of next season. This being the case as it is evident that the coaching staff see him in that position in the future.
I appreciate that other supporters think he should be at Stand Off and it may surprise you to learn, that I am also of the same opinion as them.
Finally, I noticed that if anyone has the audacity to disagree with your negativity about the club, they become a personal target for you.
cherry.pie wrote:I could understand Hampshire going on loan as he has to either be in the Wigan first team or out on dual registration (I'm assuming we still have the agreement with Workington, despite it being farcical in the new set up). There's no guarantee he'll make the first team on a regular basis as there is plenty of competition but he's probably too good to be playing in the tier below. He's demonstrated already that he's got the skills to play in Super League (for those who saw him at academy level it's never been in doubt) and it's only really the physical aspect of the game which remains an unanswered question.
We definitely need a replacement for Green and as it stands, Williams has been the most impressive of the three young halves who could replace him. He's most comfortable playing on the left and is the most physical and direct of those available so he's the closest we'll get to a like-for-like replacement.
Powell hasn't really stood out but also hasn't had much stability. He was a very highly rated junior and some players will take a few years to really adjust to playing regularly in Super League. He shouldn't be written off and he has filled in at stand off quite well previously (and had an outstanding game in the friendly against NZ Warriors which made him first name on the team sheet for the WCC before getting injured).
They are likely to be the two preferred options and with both being capable understudies at hooker they are a good fit for the side.
Hampshire as a youngster has probably been more highly rated than both Williams and Powell but lacks size, strength and physicality. That's not unusual for a halfback but it gives Powell and Williams an advantage.
My concern with Hampshire is that the club will see Powell and Williams as the main contenders for the halfback role and because of Hampshire's weaker defence will try to make him into a fullback. It already looks to be happening but I'd always hoped it was a case of Hampshire being so good that he had to be given an opportunity somewhere and the club were simply giving him chances when the opportunity arose.
He's shown some excellent attacking play at fullback, but I also think he's been prevented from showing even more of his attacking game while in that position. He also looks far from confident under the high ball. That's not impossible to fix but when you're looking for a first choice player in a key position that's a big weakness.
Bowen has had his issues but he's looked confident and composed over 90% of the time but has come up with some real howlers in big games. Hampshire has generally lacked confidence defensively in every game.
It's possible that Bowen will have another average season next year but he could also do what many overseas players have and have a much better second season after a slow start.
Our best fullback this year was Sarginson. He now looks to have cemented his place at left centre but I don't think that means he shouldn't be considered at fullback. I think overall fullback is a more important position than centre and he's the best fit right now to be our next permanent fullback. As long as there is adequate cover at centre then it would have to be considered and I'd feel more confident with Sarginson at fullback and Thornley at centre (despite Thornley's drawbacks) than I would with Hampshire playing fullback.
That could all change of course. Most young players will continually be improving and Hampshire will no doubt be the same. With time it might work for him at fullback but at the moment he's probably not likely to be first choice at either fullback or stand off but could really benefit from playing rugby at Super League level.
Mind you, there's the possibility that any Super League club that did take him on loan would play him at fullback anyway and I'm not sure that will really ask the questions of him that need answering.
Good post Cherry and I'm with you all the way with what you say.
Maybe the fact that Williams and Powell can back up at 9 puts them ahead of Hampshire.
I fear for Hampshire's future if he is pushed towards the fullback position as he will be found out under the high ball and his confidence could just drop away and we loose the most talented young 6 Wigan has had for a number of years.
Obviously Shaun Edwards career was ruined by having to play fullback before playing at half back. Edwards then obviously suffered because Keith Holden and Mike Ford were given opportunities at half before him and Wigan signed Kenny / Ella and Gregory whilst Edwards was at the club.
Hampshire BTW will never lose confidence / be broken mentally. As for mistakes, every FB makes them but Rocky made less than Matty Bowen and Sam T before him. Sam and Bowen never look destro0yed by their countless mistakes.
How many timess did Sarge play FB last season :doz:
If Rocky plays FB does anybody seriously think in this day and age that means he will never play HB again?
That is a cracking review of the options,CPIE. For me we should start out with Williams, Powell and Smith fighting for the 2 halfback jobs,and Bowen and Hampshire fighting for full back. And see how the current centres go.and how Tomkins developes as a second row. Thornley is not yet a proven first team player. Would like to see Wane immediately send out his idea of his team to win the CC ,the first priority,and then experiment with improvements on the evidence before his eyes.If Hampshire is the best fullback ,play him. We have a terrific squad,. Same for all.
menpond wrote:That is a cracking review of the options,CPIE. For me we should start out with Williams, Powell and Smith fighting for the 2 halfback jobs,and Bowen and Hampshire fighting for full back. And see how the current centres go.and how Tomkins developes as a second row. Thornley is not yet a proven first team player. Would like to see Wane immediately send out his idea of his team to win the CC ,the first priority,and then experiment with improvements on the evidence before his eyes.If Hampshire is the best fullback ,play him. We have a terrific squad,. Same for all.
