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slimshady wrote:So we lost the GF due to Waneball???
We werent far off winning with twelve men, using "waneball" and if Bowen had turned the ball inside instead of out we would have won. The teams not playing well after a tough start, preperation has been disrupted with the world club games but there is an agenda on here to stick the boot in Waney, what excuse will we hear when it turns round, because it will. The teams not as strong as last year, Greens a big loss and Lockers is injured but we have some quality and players like Williams will be great for us.

No agenda just an opinion. Yes, Wane was a huge factor in losing the GF, the primary one. He was out coached by Brown. Brown adapted his game plan according to the players he had available throughout the season to the players he had available which is the hallmark of excellent coaching.

The attitude / lack of control by the players was stoked by Wane if you read his pre match comments.

The failure to control field position from the onset and throughout the game including possession owing to Waneball and not altering tactics accordingly when down to 12 men ultimately cost us victory.

Yes we had chances but so did Saints. Brown was the smart coach, Wane was the dumb coach; Saints won.

You know my view on that cpw, which differs - Flower lost us that game, far more than Wane. I am though in a minority. Up to the sending off, the performances in the previous 4 matches were a testimony to a superb side coming to the boil. Those 4 games were a fine body of work.
I can absolutely see your point though, we could have adapted our approach better during the game. We can play too much by numbers rather than what's in front of us. Perhaps the players should share the blame for that?

You can dress things up to suit your opinion as much as you want, with 13 v 13 we win the GF even if Garry Schofield was coaching us. 12 v 13 we still had chances to win but 12 v 12 which it should have been we would have won, Phil Bentham cost us the GF, not SW and not BF.

cpwigan wrote:

slimshady wrote:So we lost the GF due to Waneball???
We werent far off winning with twelve men, using "waneball" and if Bowen had turned the ball inside instead of out we would have won. The teams not playing well after a tough start, preperation has been disrupted with the world club games but there is an agenda on here to stick the boot in Waney, what excuse will we hear when it turns round, because it will. The teams not as strong as last year, Greens a big loss and Lockers is injured but we have some quality and players like Williams will be great for us.

No agenda just an opinion. Yes, Wane was a huge factor in losing the GF, the primary one. He was out coached by Brown. Brown adapted his game plan according to the players he had available throughout the season to the players he had available which is the hallmark of excellent coaching.

The attitude / lack of control by the players was stoked by Wane if you read his pre match comments.

The failure to control field position from the onset and throughout the game including possession owing to Waneball and not altering tactics accordingly when down to 12 men ultimately cost us victory.

Yes we had chances but so did Saints. Brown was the smart coach, Wane was the dumb coach; Saints won.

Brown outsmarted Wane and that's why we lost the GF? This is the best one yet. Even Sts fans haven't used that and I doubt even Nathan Brown thinks it.

slimshady wrote:So we lost the GF due to Waneball???
We werent far off winning with twelve men, using "waneball" and if Bowen had turned the ball inside instead of out we would have won. The teams not playing well after a tough start, preperation has been disrupted with the world club games but there is an agenda on here to stick the boot in Waney, what excuse will we hear when it turns round, because it will. The teams not as strong as last year, Greens a big loss and Lockers is injured but we have some quality and players like Williams will be great for us.

Lockers is a big miss as always and as you say, without Green its a big change about in the halves where we don't yet seem settled. It does need time with all the changes including more less experienced players in the team and with involvement in the WCC format against Brisbane.
I'm saying nothing about Wane yet and like you Slim I think Waney will turn things around.

as a devout WRLFC supporter of more than 50 years we have been through lots of good times and lots of bad times but we invariably come good in the end . People say it is not a matter of life and death - yes correct - its more important than that

Come on boys lets show the rest of the world we are only going through a blip at the moment

The one game that nags away at me about Wane is the cup game last year. I think I can rationalise pretty much every other defeat we have suffered, including the last 2, but there was no excuse or reason for us falling short in that game. That was the one occasion on which I came away wondering what I had just seen, and fearing for the future.
In year 1, we won the LLS, looked fantastic and ran out of steam (plus Sam was injured at the worst possible moment).A very good Leeds team did a job on us in the semi - no disgrace losing to that side.
In year 2, we won every big game that mattered, and with ease. The finest season for the club in the last 20 years.
In year 3, while I can see that we were peaking and should have won the GF, there was no excuse or explanation for capitulating against an inferior side in a game that really mattered. Troubling.

Exiled Wiganer wrote:You know my view on that cpw, which differs - Flower lost us that game, far more than Wane. I am though in a minority. Up to the sending off, the performances in the previous 4 matches were a testimony to a superb side coming to the boil. Those 4 games were a fine body of work.
I can absolutely see your point though, we could have adapted our approach better during the game. We can play too much by numbers rather than what's in front of us. Perhaps the players should share the blame for that?

You're not in a minority, EW, it just seems like it on here as the Waneball dogmatists and anti-Wane stuck gramophone needle posters harangue, bore or discourage the majority.

We are accused of thinking Wane is perfect, being happy clappers, not understanding tactics etc etc, so become the "silent majority" but for the awkward squad, like me or Whelley, who insist on sticking our heads above the parapet every now and again.

I'm actually a Waneball fan, find up-the-middle five-drives-and-a-kick stuff almost as tedious as yawnion. Brian McTigue was a ball-handling prop, loved by the majority of Wigan fans, but the nay-sayers on this forum would drop him for not sticking his head down and improving his average gain stats

I do respect people like cpw for his good intentions and earnest studentship of the game, but I don't believe he and some of the other regular Wane-knockers on here are really the majority.

cpwigan wrote:That is my prediction. No splinters in my backside.

Doesn't sound like it so far tonight but...........?

So was it an easy win then?