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Cp, you've got to understand that people who disagree with you in some aspects of your opinions do not automatically believe in stupid extreme opposite opinions. Making statements like that are borderline trolling IMO. I thought we were through the troubles of a month or so ago but it appears to me your posts are degenerating into hysteria again.

I hope we don't have to resort to bans for any users if this continues.

Mike wrote:Cp, you've got to understand that people who disagree with you in some aspects of your opinions do not automatically believe in stupid extreme opposite opinions. Making statements like that are borderline trolling IMO. I thought we were through the troubles of a month or so ago but it appears to me your posts are degenerating into hysteria again.

I hope we don't have to resort to bans for any users if this continues.

Mike if we win this weekend it will be all quiet on here we lose better phone Jeremy Kyle as its going to kick off.

cpwigan wrote:Your obviously a convert, a disciple.

To blow such a fantastic opportunity, set up on a platter by Madge and co is FAR WORSE than being relegated to division 2.

Wane is the man who won the lottery and tore up his ticket!

Rubbish I'm neither a convert or a disciple, Wane had one season with Madges team and then it changed we lost Finch. Hoffman, Lima, Gleeson and Roberts. What did we replace them with, Blake Green, Lauaki, Dudson and Taylor. Lottery ticket my arse.

slimshady wrote:

cpwigan wrote:Your obviously a convert, a disciple.

To blow such a fantastic opportunity, set up on a platter by Madge and co is FAR WORSE than being relegated to division 2.

Wane is the man who won the lottery and tore up his ticket!

Rubbish I'm neither a convert or a disciple, Wane had one season with Madges team and then it changed we lost Finch. Hoffman, Lima, Gleeson and Roberts. What did we replace them with, Blake Green, Lauaki, Dudson and Taylor. Lottery ticket my arse.

Apologies Mike

The idea in any sport / organisation is that you evolve and progress. The youngsters get better and better, the established players do too so you win more and more. So far it looks like Wane cashed in on Madge and then stuffed it up. Gleeson was gone under Madge as was Roberts. Finch, Li,e and Hoff were here stop gap. Blake Green was a fantastic signing, better than finch perhaps, Taylor is a potential international. The youngsters are getting better and better. Madge showed Wane how to coach, how to lead and all he could say was I can do better, we underachieved under Madge./ Do you think that too?

Personally I do think we underachieved under Madge in the second season. The best team we'd had in a decade and didn't get to the GF.

Also I like the sentiment when a coach enters a job that they can do better than their predecessor. It shows ambition.

You says you were behind Wane from the start but it seems like that lasted until his first interview!

cpwigan wrote:

slimshady wrote:

cpwigan wrote:Your obviously a convert, a disciple.

To blow such a fantastic opportunity, set up on a platter by Madge and co is FAR WORSE than being relegated to division 2.

Wane is the man who won the lottery and tore up his ticket!

Rubbish I'm neither a convert or a disciple, Wane had one season with Madges team and then it changed we lost Finch. Hoffman, Lima, Gleeson and Roberts. What did we replace them with, Blake Green, Lauaki, Dudson and Taylor. Lottery ticket my arse.

Apologies Mike

The idea in any sport / organisation is that you evolve and progress. The youngsters get better and better, the established players do too so you win more and more. So far it looks like Wane cashed in on Madge and then stuffed it up. Gleeson was gone under Madge as was Roberts. Finch, Li,e and Hoff were here stop gap. Blake Green was a fantastic signing, better than finch perhaps, Taylor is a potential international. The youngsters are getting better and better. Madge showed Wane how to coach, how to lead and all he could say was I can do better, we underachieved under Madge./ Do you think that too?

I think the youngsters are getting better but we need to recruit some experience also. This idea of a homegrown team is not realistic, if we want to compete we need to get some better players in. We are being conned by IL, I know for a fact that Wigan dont pay decent money and if Rocky does go he will probably treble his money like Goulding did. Wanes not going to start his coaching by saying hes going to do worse than Madge, but I dont think the team is anywhere near the standard that Madge had.

Mike wrote:Personally I do think we underachieved under Madge in the second season. The best team we'd had in a decade and didn't get to the GF.

Also I like the sentiment when a coach enters a job that they can do better than their predecessor. It shows ambition.

You says you were behind Wane from the start but it seems like that lasted until his first interview!

I think Madge let himself down once his job at Souths was secured is that not inevitable? I have yet to work wqith somebody who was retiring or leaving who was as good as they were before.

The whole point of wane taking over was he knew the systems, should have understood them but seemed to want to ignore them. Was it broken? did not look bad from where I was looking.

slimshady wrote:

cpwigan wrote:

slimshady wrote: Rubbish I'm neither a convert or a disciple, Wane had one season with Madges team and then it changed we lost Finch. Hoffman, Lima, Gleeson and Roberts. What did we replace them with, Blake Green, Lauaki, Dudson and Taylor. Lottery ticket my arse.

Apologies Mike

The idea in any sport / organisation is that you evolve and progress. The youngsters get better and better, the established players do too so you win more and more. So far it looks like Wane cashed in on Madge and then stuffed it up. Gleeson was gone under Madge as was Roberts. Finch, Li,e and Hoff were here stop gap. Blake Green was a fantastic signing, better than finch perhaps, Taylor is a potential international. The youngsters are getting better and better. Madge showed Wane how to coach, how to lead and all he could say was I can do better, we underachieved under Madge./ Do you think that too?

I think the youngsters are getting better but we need to recruit some experience also. This idea of a homegrown team is not realistic, if we want to compete we need to get some better players in. We are being conned by IL, I know for a fact that Wigan dont pay decent money and if Rocky does go he will probably treble his money like Goulding did. Wanes not going to start his coaching by saying hes going to do worse than Madge, but I dont think the team is anywhere near the standard that Madge had.

I agree re the homegrown nonsense, it never was but who wants it most, who talks about it, WANE! How much experience do we need? We have plenty IMO Which players would you replace and with whom? IL might not be perfect but Madge got what he wanted from him; Wane has never complained and off the pitch the club seems to move forward. I believe in philanthropy but it is not my money and I am not an owner.

That's a perfectly reasonable view but its not really what you keep saying. You talk about the interview where he wanted to do better than his boss as if it was a problem in itself. A lot of people just can't see the issue here and things like this start to look like *everything* Wane does will be a problem for you. IMO Thats why some people are starting to think you have something personal against Wane and it undermines otherwise perfectly sensible arguements. The number of threafs after a loss also contribute to that impression. That is, of course, just my opinion and you are free to post whatever you like within the site guidelines that we try to keep as lose as possible.

I always find a reasonable arguement made clearly and with some balance carries more weight than well intentioned but reactionary outbursts.

For example all the recent posts writing off lockers games into his return from 4 months out seem a little over the top to me. But hey, I don't have to agree with everything on here, do I?

cpwigan wrote:

slimshady wrote:

cpwigan wrote: Apologies Mike

The idea in any sport / organisation is that you evolve and progress. The youngsters get better and better, the established players do too so you win more and more. So far it looks like Wane cashed in on Madge and then stuffed it up. Gleeson was gone under Madge as was Roberts. Finch, Li,e and Hoff were here stop gap. Blake Green was a fantastic signing, better than finch perhaps, Taylor is a potential international. The youngsters are getting better and better. Madge showed Wane how to coach, how to lead and all he could say was I can do better, we underachieved under Madge./ Do you think that too?

I think the youngsters are getting better but we need to recruit some experience also. This idea of a homegrown team is not realistic, if we want to compete we need to get some better players in. We are being conned by IL, I know for a fact that Wigan dont pay decent money and if Rocky does go he will probably treble his money like Goulding did. Wanes not going to start his coaching by saying hes going to do worse than Madge, but I dont think the team is anywhere near the standard that Madge had.

I agree re the homegrown nonsense, it never was but who wants it most, who talks about it, WANE! How much experience do we need? We have plenty IMO Which players would you replace and with whom? IL might not be perfect but Madge got what he wanted from him; Wane has never complained and off the pitch the club seems to move forward. I believe in philanthropy but it is not my money and I am not an owner.

Wane has no choice, he was told the conditions before he took the job although he thought he may be able to get something changed. IL is never going to back the club like Moran does at warrington. Lots of rumours regarding IL finances and his commitment to Wigan.