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Re: Reality Check
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:37 am
by Pedro the Exile
Not as easy at it may seem.This Wigan team has been leaking confidence all season and Saturdays debacle may well have been the last straw in terms of self belief.Conversely,all the teams below us will now be looking at us as eminently beatable and will go into their games with us much more confident than they would have done previously.There isn't a team in SL who will not now be thinking they can get 2 relatively easy points of us.Don't forget that Wakefield have beaten us already and we have struggled against Salford & Widnes.Widnes nearly beat the Bulls yesterday and I wouldn't give this team a cat in hells chance of beating them.
The point however is absolutely spot on-we MUST beat these teams even if we get hammered by every other team.Forget the CC & the playoffs-they're irrelevant to our current predicament and an unnecessary distraction.We need to focus on survival.
It may well be that Saturdays result was indeed the "rock bottom" and we will start to improve but as a friend of mine is in the habit of saying to me"things can ALWAYS get worse".
Get yer rosary beads out people.
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:20 pm
by DaveO
Pedro the Exile posted:
Not as easy at it may seem.This Wigan team has been leaking confidence all season and Saturdays debacle may well have been the last straw in terms of self belief.Conversely,all the teams below us will now be looking at us as eminently beatable and will go into their games with us much more confident than they would have done previously.There isn't a team in SL who will not now be thinking they can get 2 relatively easy points of us.
This is my concern as well. The confidence is gone and has been replaced by panic football. Leigh are playing better than us, so are Widnes.
I don't see why anyone thinks we would beat either of these two on current form with the current personel available.
The only good thing I can see is Wakefield seem as bad as us and are panicing over relegation if you read their coaches comments over the weekend.
Other than that I have even thought there is a possibility we won't win another game this season!
Not playing as well as Leigh or Widnes. Salford a giving teams games. We have lost to Wakey already and no one seems to give is a chance against teams above us.
If we compound our problems by letting Radlinski leave without him playing another game for the club we will be going into the last part of the season with no recognised no.13 and no recognised no. 1.
Why, under those circumstances would anyone
expect us to win games and stay up?
Dave
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:33 pm
by DaiJones
OK, we were the worst I have ever seen us on Friday admittedly but there really is no way we are being relegated unless an epidemic sweeps the camp.
We aren't making the play offs there will be no happy memories from 2005 (apart from Good Friday obviously) but lets not press the panic button on then back of one freakish game, we will win the games that matter which sadly is against the likes of salford, leigh and widnes
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:42 pm
by jinkin jimmy
DaiJones posted:
OK, we were the worst I have ever seen us on Friday admittedly but there really is no way we are being relegated unless an epidemic sweeps the camp.
We aren't making the play offs there will be no happy memories from 2005 (apart from Good Friday obviously) but lets not press the panic button on then back of one freakish game, we will win the games that matter which sadly is against the likes of salford, leigh and widnes
I agree with this. Whilst the result and performance against Leeds were awful, this kind of thing can always happen. Look at what Saints did to Bradford - it didn't make Bradford a poor team, just as Leigh's (very unlucky) draw against Hull didn't make them a good one.
We do, however, need to calm down on the pitch. Basil has to get the players playing to their ability, which is not happening at the moment. If he does this, we are definitely safe. If he doesn't...... :shoc:
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:45 pm
by GeoffN
DaiJones posted:
OK, we were the worst I have ever seen us on Friday admittedly but there really is no way we are being relegated unless an epidemic sweeps the camp.
Friday wasn't too bad - it was Saturday that really upset me!
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:13 am
by DaiJones
No honestly Geoff, you should have seen us on Friday, we were appalling, it was just lucky there was no game.
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:28 am
by GeoffN
DaiJones posted:
No honestly Geoff, you should have seen us on Friday, we were appalling, it was just lucky there was no game.
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:38 am
by Matthew
jinkin jimmy posted:
I agree with this. Whilst the result and performance against Leeds were awful, this kind of thing can always happen. Look at what Saints did to Bradford - it didn't make Bradford a poor team, just as Leigh's (very unlucky) draw against Hull didn't make them a good one.
We do, however, need to calm down on the pitch. Basil has to get the players playing to their ability, which is not happening at the moment. If he does this, we are definitely safe. If he doesn't...... :shoc:
On slight problem Jim - Bradford played most of the match with 12 players, after Pryce's ill advised but not typically out of character, attempt to decapitate Lyon. Before then the match was relatively close.
There isn't a team in SL that fears us at the moment. Even when we have been in a comfortable lead the wheels have well and truly come off.
I think that perhaps that IM and ML should sit down with the players and explain what trips to Batley could be like next year and get some fear/drive in the players.
Offiah once said the thing he dreaded was being at Wigan after the zenith - on the way down. The players should think how they will look back on their careers if they are part of a Wigan side that gets relegated.
Regardless of the result on Sunday (and I think that we could do without the distraction of the CC at the moment) we need to put in a better performance. There is no doubt that the win over saints at Easter raised the players confidence and helped at Hull.
The players need to start believing in themselves (even those that aren't fit to be water carriers) otherwise there may be no way back.
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:46 am
by jinkin jimmy
Matthew posted:
jinkin jimmy posted:
I agree with this. Whilst the result and performance against Leeds were awful, this kind of thing can always happen. Look at what Saints did to Bradford - it didn't make Bradford a poor team, just as Leigh's (very unlucky) draw against Hull didn't make them a good one.
We do, however, need to calm down on the pitch. Basil has to get the players playing to their ability, which is not happening at the moment. If he does this, we are definitely safe. If he doesn't...... :shoc:
On slight problem Jim - Bradford played most of the match with 12 players, after Pryce's ill advised but not typically out of character, attempt to decapitate Lyon. Before then the match was relatively close.
There isn't a team in SL that fears us at the moment. Even when we have been in a comfortable lead the wheels have well and truly come off.
I think that perhaps that IM and ML should sit down with the players and explain what trips to Batley could be like next year and get some fear/drive in the players.
Offiah once said the thing he dreaded was being at Wigan after the zenith - on the way down. The players should think how they will look back on their careers if they are part of a Wigan side that gets relegated.
Regardless of the result on Sunday (and I think that we could do without the distraction of the CC at the moment) we need to put in a better performance. There is no doubt that the win over saints at Easter raised the players confidence and helped at Hull.
The players need to start believing in themselves (even those that aren't fit to be water carriers) otherwise there may be no way back.
I agree with you Matthew. Maybe Saints/Bradford wasn't the best example to choose to make my point, but it was the most recent!
Last season Saints got mauled at Headingley too - maybe that is a better example (hope they both had 13 players!).
Re: Reality Check
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:51 pm
by DaiJones
Worryingly, we are being described as 'crisis club Wigan' in today's Telegraph!!