GET BROWN OUT

[mrs_carney]

No the kick off, dallas didnt have enough time to jump and get the ball, i didnt think (didnt mean to say run first time, oops) from where i was standing, which was nearer than you missy :tong1: i didnt think dallas had enough time to react after brown missed it. Because he'd of been thinking any other player would of got that.....mind you is he to blame because he should of thought....this is brown We'll wait and see, i'll watch the video again and then when you have geoffs we can come back and compare close-ness and exact reaction times

[GeoffN]

Without getting into the "I've been a supporter longer than you" debate...

That bounce would have caught a lot of players out, Brown wasn't to blame - if anything, as MrsLam says, Dallas should have been behind him just in case.
I'm not a big Brown fan (although I do believe he should be given as much chance as Orr has been given at the position, before any judgement is made), but he made fewer mistakes than the rest of them in the first half - DV, Moran and Ashton's blunders led directly to Wakey tries.

[MrsLam]

mrs_carney posted:
No the kick off, dallas didnt have enough time to jump and get the ball, i didnt think (didnt mean to say run first time, oops) from where i was standing, which was nearer than you missy :tong1: i didnt think dallas had enough time to react after brown missed it. Because he'd of been thinking any other player would of got that.....mind you is he to blame because he should of thought....this is brown We'll wait and see, i'll watch the video again and then when you have geoffs we can come back and compare close-ness and exact reaction times

You may have been standing nearer to him than me but I had a great view of the players and the ball and at a kick off you would expect all players to be alert and ready to make up for anymistakes or mis interpretations another player makes, they do happen even to the best and Dallas looked at the ball and then watched it bounce out. I actually said at the time, "what was Dallas doing then?" it seemed to happen in slow motion and then as the cheers went up around us I thought maybe the ref had blown for offside or something and that's why he'd stopped but they were just Wakey fans and that was just a mistake on the behalf of all players around that area.

Seems to me you just want to blame Kev B for anything and everything possible!

[mrs_carney]

But Geoff age is against me and MrsL in the longest supporters situation

He may of made less mistakes, but he also made less impact (than ashton at least) and he needs to learn to pass and to our players as well, not the opposition like moran seems to enjoy. I still think he should have had the ball wrapped up and i think Dallas thought he had, by his reaction at least. Maybe its both their faults then brown should have had it but Dallas should have been there for the inevitable. Like i said i thought brown should have had the ball and dallas didnt have time to react.....however i shall watch the tape again and i shall come back and see if thats still what i think!

[MrsLam]

GeoffN posted:
Without getting into the "I've been a supporter longer than you" debate...

That bounce would have caught a lot of players out, Brown wasn't to blame - if anything, as MrsLam says, Dallas should have been behind him just in case.
I'm not a big Brown fan (although I do believe he should be given as much chance as Orr has been given at the position, before any judgement is made), but he made fewer mistakes than the rest of them in the first half - DV, Moran and Ashton's blunders led directly to Wakey tries.

Exactly. That mistake didn't allow Wakey to run onto the ball at score, if it had it would have been more of an issue anyway. In the end ALL players make mistakes at times and as a team game, other players have to be there to make up for those mistakes whether it be straight after or in the set of 6 after.
A lot of mistakes can be blamed soley on the player but some, this one, can be a group mistake.

[AndyWright]

firstly i think that brown should have attacked the ball from the kick of (i have been taught since i was a little nipper to always attack a ball than rely on a kind bounce) but it was a mistake alot of players would have made and it wasnt really brown's fault.

2ndly i think that millward should leave brown in the side as stand off, orr has had a huge chance and been there a while now and still hasnt taken the opportunity to be a huge star, so why not give brown the same chance? unless he would prefer to put higham/godwin at standoff so we have got abit more speed and skill in the half back area, coz both higham and godwin have got great pace from standing and we would most likely benefit from them both being on the pitch at the same time.

Andy

[GeoffN]

AndyWright posted:
firstly i think that brown should have attacked the ball from the kick of (i have been taught since i was a little nipper to always attack a ball than rely on a kind bounce) but it was a mistake alot of players would have made and it wasnt really brown's fault.

That works if it's a high ball, first bounce, but this was a "grubber", got to him on about the third bounce which is difficult.

2ndly i think that millward should leave brown in the side as stand off, orr has had a huge chance and been there a while now and still hasnt taken the opportunity to be a huge star, so why not give brown the same chance? unless he would prefer to put higham/godwin at standoff so we have got abit more speed and skill in the half back area, coz both higham and godwin have got great pace from standing and we would most likely benefit from them both being on the pitch at the same time.

Andy

This I do agree with. Brown deserves the same length of time that Orr has had, IMO, but alternatively, there was one of our games where Godwin & Higham were both on the field together for about 10 mins and our attack looked much more potent.

[AndyWright]

GeoffN posted:

AndyWright posted:
firstly i think that brown should have attacked the ball from the kick of (i have been taught since i was a little nipper to always attack a ball than rely on a kind bounce) but it was a mistake alot of players would have made and it wasnt really brown's fault.

That works if it's a high ball, first bounce, but this was a "grubber", got to him on about the third bounce which is difficult.

2ndly i think that millward should leave brown in the side as stand off, orr has had a huge chance and been there a while now and still hasnt taken the opportunity to be a huge star, so why not give brown the same chance? unless he would prefer to put higham/godwin at standoff so we have got abit more speed and skill in the half back area, coz both higham and godwin have got great pace from standing and we would most likely benefit from them both being on the pitch at the same time.

Andy

This I do agree with. Brown deserves the same length of time that Orr has had, IMO, but alternatively, there was one of our games where Godwin & Higham were both on the field together for about 10 mins and our attack looked much more potent.

could this be the answer then? i didnt manage to see them play together but i can imagine how it would be because they both like to organise things, higham (or whoever played at hooker) would organise the forwards and godwin could organise the backs instead of moran

[jinkin jimmy]

Difficult one this. We have won on 2 occasions when Orr has not figured, but Orr has started to develop a relationship with Lockers and is putting him in for tries (I think Orr put him in at Bradford).

After admittedly very little deliberation, I say stick with Brown.

[GeoffN]

jinkin jimmy posted:
Difficult one this. We have won on 2 occasions when Orr has not figured, but Orr has started to develop a relationship with Lockers and is putting him in for tries (I think Orr put him in at Bradford).

After admittedly very little deliberation, I say stick with Brown.

Me too, and not just because of Orr's hamstring injury. I still feel Orr has had enough of a chance (50-odd games!), without taking it.
I'm not saying Brown is the answer, but he should be given the same chance that Orr has been given.