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cpwigan posted:
And Robonez you have faith in those running the game?

Haumono had he been an amateur would have been banned months.

Referee side of things me, cpwigan, not the disciplinary, that's in someone elses hands. Nowt to do with referees that. Silverwood managed the game well.

The question I asked, to which no-one has provided a reasonable response, was; what should Silverwood have done differently to control the game better.

Well as you can see I do not blame him whatsoever.

However, if the disciplinary are weak then that erodes the ability of a referee to keep order. The game is cleaner now because more cameras = more chance to be caught. When you are caught you need the punishment to act as a deterrent.

Jim Comans did more for referees in Aus than anybody else by simply banning Les Boyd for 12 months + and Bob Cooper for a similar time. After those bans, referees found the game was far cleaner and they could concentrate on other parts of the job.

Take Football. Managers have gone unchecked in their hostility towards referees. Last weekend we got a manager manhandling a referee and we keep getting coins thrown at officials.

Ignore and fail to deal makes life so much harder.

I think the problem was the usual calling the captain over and then not taking any further action until it was too late.
Not helped by the linesmen (regarding the cheap shot on Calders 5 minutes before the brawl).
It's a shame as the Tongans would have left that game with a great deal of respect, instead of which they will be remembered as thugs.

Rob, I think you have the advantage of watching the game from a refs perspective. Most of us will watch the game from the point of the team we are supporting (Wigan are never offside after all). Please note, I am not critising you (you might set Linzi on me) in any way, just saying that as a ref you are bound to take a more subjective and less blinkered view of a game.

cpwigan posted:
Well as you can see I do not blame him whatsoever.

However, if the disciplinary are weak then that erodes the ability of a referee to keep order. The game is cleaner now because more cameras = more chance to be caught. When you are caught you need the punishment to act as a deterrent.

Jim Comans did more for referees in Aus than anybody else by simply banning Les Boyd for 12 months + and Bob Cooper for a similar time. After those bans, referees found the game was far cleaner and they could concentrate on other parts of the job.

I don't really know much about the disciplinary to be honest. Does the panel not differ between competitions? All I know is that if I send a player off I don't get to find out his punishment unless I do some digging.

I agree with your point about large bans acting as deterents. The threat of a yellow card should be deterent enough but it isn't always, as was the case on Sunday.

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Rob, I think you have the advantage of watching the game from a refs perspective. Most of us will watch the game from the point of the team we are supporting (Wigan are never offside after all). Please note, I am not critising you (you might set Linzi on me) in any way, just saying that as a ref you are bound to take a more subjective and less blinkered view of a game.

I am able to watch games much more objectively than I used to. I didn't actually think the Tongan's were that dirty for the first hour or so yesterday. They were certainly aggressive in their tackling and tribal in their response to minor provocation but their aggressive nature got the crowd calling for a penalty after every tackle. This simply wasn't the case. Some where high, but they were penalised.

At one point Calderwood had been tackled and the tackler tried ripping the ball out of his hands after the tackle was complete, half the crowd wanted him to be sent off (I heard you shouting Guy, haha). To send someone off for that would be terrible refereeing and to continue in that vein would have seen the match abandoned well before the end.

By the way, Guy, I have been educating Linzi, she's a quick learner too. She already knows all the touch judge signals, all the referee signals and some of the lesser known rules, such as, not being able to reverse penalties (I taught her that in bed on Sunday morning funnily enough).

Shouting, moi! Surely you must be mistaken

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Shouting, moi! Surely you must be mistaken

Yes... definately you Guy. I couldn't mistake that Welsh twang you have!

Now it's personal