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Geoff I cannot agree with you re the first try. Ainscough never gets off the ground, never makes it difficult for Sharp and he is able to play his partin the set play perfectly TOO EASY. Ainscough far too often never gets up in the air. Often the player who gets up first gets the ball. Some people have said well the winger patting the ball back infield has the easier task. There is nothing to stop the defending winger palming the ball, punchiong it out when it is whay a yard from touchline. Therein lies the problem with Ainsy not only is he thick away from the game, he has no RL intelligence either. He could even catch it.

TonyIdol wrote:First time I've been able to get on here since Thursday but I just wanna say one thing, can people NOW after that performance put their todgers back in their pants over Sean Ainscough. He is not good enough for our team. Even with injuries.

One an unbelievably one-eyed view of the match.

Read Geoff's summary of the tries against and after those performances you could write half a dozen players off if that is how you want to call it.

Phelps has been poor three games in a row in defence. Where is the queue to ship him out?

Dave

cpwigan wrote:Geoff I cannot agree with you re the first try. Ainscough never gets off the ground, never makes it difficult for Sharp and he is able to play his partin the set play perfectly TOO EASY. Ainscough far too often never gets up in the air. Often the player who gets up first gets the ball. Some people have said well the winger patting the ball back infield has the easier task. There is nothing to stop the defending winger palming the ball, punchiong it out when it is whay a yard from touchline. Therein lies the problem with Ainsy not only is he thick away from the game, he has no RL intelligence either. He could even catch it.

Nope, he took the best option, IMO. His job is to stop his winger scoring, Bails's job is to stop the centre scoring. He's entitled to expect the rest of the team to do their jobs in defence.

If he catches it, odds are he gets tackled into touch or behing the line and they get the ball back. The best option is for Bails to make the tackle, and we get possession.
Knocking the ball out should be the last option, as they then get a repeat set, and you only see that option deliberately used when there are no other defenders in the area.


In any case, you're trying to use one single incident to justify criticism of his defence, when there were far worse defensive errors by other players.

I like shaun as a player however he does have weaknesses (dont all players) my only concern was he looked like he was not bothered on friday, rarely looked as though 100% committed to impressing MM, but he was not only player out there to look like this, just seems to lack confidence in the air also

DaveO wrote:Do you think he would have caught Penny? I do not.

You keep rambling on about Ainscough catching Penny and posed the question of would Goulding have caught Penny. Well that has already been answered as he did a couple of years ago in a game at Warrington. It was well discussed on these sites at the time because it was Penny and people didnt realise Goulding was as quick as he is. Despite this only a fool would try and argue that Ainscough and Goulding are anywhere near as quick as Penny in a straight race.

DaveO wrote:Unless you see Ainscough play in a full strength Wigan side under MM (which Goulding has had the luxury of) don't you think it's a little pointless making the comparison?

Goulding has had Gleeson as his centre and had Ainscugh had that luxury tonight maybe instead of a two on one situation for the try in the first half it might have been Ainscough 1 on 1 v the winger? Who knows but the team was crap tonight and it has not been when Goulding has played most of the time.

Ainscough has also been away at Cas and has not benefited from Wigan's training (one of my objections to a loan as opposed to dual reg which allows it).

He has had to walk into the team after a weeks training and is being compared to a player who has the benefit of being here all season? He is on a hiding to nothing if that is the benchmark.

Dave

You have been making various statements about Ainscough for weeks now and your complete disregard for how well Goulding has played this year, to try and promote Ainscough, is pathetic. From watching the games and looking at the stats I would say that Goulding has been as instrumental in our success as people like Gleeson and Richards but he doesnt get half the credit. In attack he has a very high work rate and has regularly been one of our top metre makers, some weeks he has been top. In addition he has scored plenty of tries. In defence he has been very solid under kicks and high bombs (has he even dropped one this season? I cant remember him doing) and I cant remember him being at fault for a try. However you make all of this sound like just a coincidence and that Goulding is just a passenger in this team. He is not, Wigan's success has been partly down to Goulding and he is an important part of the team. Our back 3 have put the entire team on the front foot with their work rate and the metres that they make and with Goulding, and Roberts obviously, missing it is noticable that we havent got the go forward that we had before. Ainscough certainly does not have the same work rate or makes the same metres and this has been commented on by many after not just his performance on Friday but his televised Castleford performances as well.

You seem obsessed about trying to compare the two players so here goes. Goulding has been very strong in defence and attack this season. Ainscough has not and never has been. This has often been pointed out to you and you then make posts along the lines of its all Castlefords fault and that Goulding would be just as poor in a team like that. However when posters point out that Goulding was at loan at a similarly struggling Salford side and the fact that he did very well both in attack and defence, with their fans and coach saying how much he strengthened their defence down the side which had been a big weakness before, you just decide to ignore it because it doesnt suit your argument. Indeed Ainscough himself has often played in a very dominant Wigan reserve team but still made the same mistakes and was still a weak link, often against mediocre players never mind SL ones. Your argument here just doesnt stack up.

You talk about Goulding never having to 3v1 or 2v1 overlaps, which is plainly absurd as all wingers do. It is pointed out that he does but he just deals with them effectively, as against Saints, Bradford etc but again you just ignore this and make out that Ainscough only has this problem at Castleford and it would not happen if he played for Wigan. Low and behold Ainscough does get a chance at Wigan and has to face these situations, which according to you Goulding somehow never has to, and it is now Baileys fault and the fault of the poor team that he is playing in. It is the same with your arguments with regards Ainscough under high kicks. Ainscough faced a high kick on Friday which once again he does not deal with (he doesnt even leave the floor) and according to you shoch horror it is not his fault but his centre's. Going off the Castleford highlights I have seen Ainscough conceed tries in exactly the same fashion at least twice in recent weeks. Why do you think that Goulding has not conceeded a try in this manner in the 11 or so games that he has played? Is that just another coincidence?

Dave you are in dreamland if you think Ainscough caught Penny. He did not catch him, he tackled him. When he tackled Penny he was 1 yard from Phelps. 1 yard!!! Basically although a useless attempted tackle, Penny had to go around Phelps which put his on collision course with Ainscough.

I you think Ainscough can catch Penny then see a doctor ASAP. No player from Wigan could but this may hurt you, Ainscough is SLOW for a winger. He is not even in the top 5 at Wigan over any decent distance. He used to be fairly fast over 20 metres until he bulked up. Even then he would get exhausted very quickly. The way he has developed his body phyically is wrong and 'QUESTIONABLE' Ryan Ainscough? Do some reasearch DAve for God's sake.

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:Ainscough didn't do himself any favours on Friday night IMO, he looks slow, lethargic and very unsure of himself especially when he passed the ball.

I would have thought the kid would be absolutely buzzing and wanting to impress after being recalled.

Wasn't to be I'm afraid and I think MM will be pretty ruthless this week

Depends on injuries, I suppose. If either Gleeson or Goulding are still out, he should play, IMO (with Goulding at centre if Gleeson is out). If both are back fit, then no.

There are others ahead of him in the queue for being dropped, if we have the cover, especially Bailey.

cpwigan wrote:Dave you are in dreamland if you think Ainscough caught Penny. He did not catch him, he tackled him. When he tackled Penny he was 1 yard from Phelps. 1 yard!!! Basically although a useless attempted tackle, Penny had to go around Phelps which put his on collision course with Ainscough.

I you think Ainscough can catch Penny then see a doctor ASAP. No player from Wigan could but this may hurt you, Ainscough is SLOW for a winger. He is not even in the top 5 at Wigan over any decent distance. He used to be fairly fast over 20 metres until he bulked up. Even then he would get exhausted very quickly. The way he has developed his body phyically is wrong and 'QUESTIONABLE' Ryan Ainscough? Do some reasearch DAve for God's sake.

CPW whilst agreeing in general with your assessment of Ainscough, I think you're way out of order to bring his brother into the discussion. It doesn't necessarily follow that they have identical traits. If one in a family is a wrong un it doesn't follow that they all are.
To Dave, I'm guessing that you haven't seen much of Ainscough at academy level.

Straw all I will say is having seen Shaun at 15 and at 16 the transformation is startling he must have lived in the gym 24/7 Mind you an Aussie U18 who played v him said something else.

cpwigan wrote:Straw all I will say is having seen Shaun at 15 and at 16 the transformation is startling he must have lived in the gym 24/7 Mind you an Aussie U18 who played v him said something else.

You should see the size of his brother, I think he plays for St Judes, he's absolutely huge. Maybe they're "training together".