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Personally this signing excites me as I think he may offer something Wigan do not have and Wane must see something in a position he truly understands. The guy needs plenty of work but he is a Wigan player and I want to see him do well whereas some have written him off before he has played a game.

MrDave wrote:

DaveO wrote:Rubbish. And what is more you know it.

Selectively quoting statistics like he only gives away 13 penalties in isolation is being deliberately misleading. Doing that is easily spotted and discredited.

Using the statistics to compare one player with a good reputation such as Coley to one with a poor one like Lauaki and finding they back up the opinions of the Wigan and Hull fans on each player and pointing this out is common sense and sensible use of the statistics.

Statistics are just raw data, putting them into a context gives you some information but its also important to know how useful that information is, for example the stats may say that 'player A' gives away more penalties than 'player B' but what that doesn't tell you is how where these penalties given away, was 'player A' playing for a team doing more defending and therefore more likely to give away penalties, where they offsides and high tackles etc.

Putting then into contact is exactly what I am doing with Lauaki. The Hull fans don't rate him. If you then look at the stats you can see why.

There is a correlation between the fans opinions, his performances and the statistics and you simply cannot argue there isn't.

From one point of view you could say that Darrell Goulding was the best winger in Super League in 2010, however applying some knowledge would tell you that actually he benefited a lot from how the team played not just his own ability, no disrespect to Darrell.

No you wouldn't because you would be applying your knowledge in exactly the same way as I am doing with Lauaki.

Comparing Lauaki's stats to Coley's doesn't actually tell you anything about how he will play for Wigan.

No it helps tell you how he played for Hull and given that isn't very well then that is easily a good enough reason to question his signing for Wigan.

DaveO wrote: The Hull fans don't rate him. If you then look at the stats you can see why.

Well that's it then! Are you saying that Wigan's potential future signings MUST be based on Hull fan's ratings of them?

They don't "like" Sam Tomkins much either - maybe we should release him then? :sly:

butt monkey wrote:

DaveO wrote: The Hull fans don't rate him. If you then look at the stats you can see why.

Well that's it then! Are you saying that Wigan's potential future signings MUST be based on Hull fan's ratings of them?

They don't "like" Sam Tomkins much either - maybe we should release him then? :sly:

Are you being remotely serious?

The Hull fans don't rate him as player and the stats back up their position.

There are plenty of Wigan fans who don't rate him either and the stats back up their position as well.

You have not got a point :doz:

DaveO wrote:

butt monkey wrote:

DaveO wrote: The Hull fans don't rate him. If you then look at the stats you can see why.

Well that's it then! Are you saying that Wigan's potential future signings MUST be based on Hull fan's ratings of them?

They don't "like" Sam Tomkins much either - maybe we should release him then? :sly:

Are you being remotely serious?

The Hull fans don't rate him as player and the stats back up their position.

There are plenty of Wigan fans who don't rate him either and the stats back up their position as well.

You have not got a point :doz:

Are fans always right? (apart from me) IIRC, when this signing was first muted the reaction of most Wigan fans was that he was a dirty so and so BUT the stats did not back that up. Their view, an incorrect view was based on one notorious incident.

Nobody not even Hull fans can comment on his stats because to my knowledge nobody knows how many minutes he played to provide a fair statistical comparison. For example, if a player makes 12 tackles in 20 minutes he is harder working than a player making 36 tackles in 80 minutes.

As I stated earlier, the one reason I think this could be a good signing is that he could offer impact with a rugged physicality that Fielden, Lima, Mossop, Crosby, Spencer do not offer. Something unique/different.

I would not expect the fans of a club that a player is leaving for a rival to be entirely favourable. Subjectivity?

Does any Wigan fan want a player to fail? What is achieved? Bragging rights to say I told you so?

cpwigan wrote:

DaveO wrote:

butt monkey wrote: Well that's it then! Are you saying that Wigan's potential future signings MUST be based on Hull fan's ratings of them?

They don't "like" Sam Tomkins much either - maybe we should release him then? :sly:

Are you being remotely serious?

The Hull fans don't rate him as player and the stats back up their position.

There are plenty of Wigan fans who don't rate him either and the stats back up their position as well.

You have not got a point :doz:

Are fans always right?

No but they are entitled to an opinion and if they can back it up with some stats that is fine too isn't it?

Nobody not even Hull fans can comment on his stats because to my knowledge nobody knows how many minutes he played to provide a fair statistical comparison. For example, if a player makes 12 tackles in 20 minutes he is harder working than a player making 36 tackles in 80 minutes.

No one knows how many minutes any player has played which is where fans opinions come in about how good a player he was for Hull. If he played a lot of minutes he didn't do very well and if he played relatively few then why not? If he was some beast of a player who came on for 20 minutes a game and ripped things up we'd know all about it but he didn't as we all know.

As I stated earlier, the one reason I think this could be a good signing is that he could offer impact with a rugged physicality that Fielden, Lima, Mossop, Crosby, Spencer do not offer. Something unique/different.

I would not expect the fans of a club that a player is leaving for a rival to be entirely favourable. Subjectivity?

Well they didn't just start saying he was poor the day he left.

Does any Wigan fan want a player to fail? What is achieved? Bragging rights to say I told you so?

No they don't but they are entitled to question the signing of a player who has broken no pots at his current club.

You can work out minutes played (the stats are available online, SKY publish them) and then all the other stats have some meaning (tackles made, missed, hit ups etc). Until somebody uses statistics properly all stats are null and void.

Opinion? Hull fans or Shaun Wane?

I am the only fan in the history of sport never to have been wrong!!!! All others

For some reason we were sat with the Hull fans on saturday, so had a good chat with them about Lauaki. They all laughed at first when they noticed I was Wigan and were calling him rotten, but after a while the real truth came out.

They said he was awesome at first and his running was unstoppable, and was a real crowd hero. Then Aggar started to work on him and he went worse and worse. They all said thw work rate off all the forwards suffered under Aggar mostly O'meally and Fitzgibbon, and Lauaki followed.

And quite a few said they wished they had another 12 months of him as thier new coach could change him. They also expect him to return to the KC next year and bulldoze thier forwards all over the place.

It only take a few boos and people says thats the hull fans view, but after a good chat with them the signs look more promising.

First Try Tickle wrote:For some reason we were sat with the Hull fans on saturday, so had a good chat with them about Lauaki. They all laughed at first when they noticed I was Wigan and were calling him rotten, but after a while the real truth came out.

They said he was awesome at first and his running was unstoppable, and was a real crowd hero. Then Aggar started to work on him and he went worse and worse. They all said thw work rate off all the forwards suffered under Aggar mostly O'meally and Fitzgibbon, and Lauaki followed.

And quite a few said they wished they had another 12 months of him as thier new coach could change him. They also expect him to return to the KC next year and bulldoze thier forwards all over the place.

It only take a few boos and people says thats the hull fans view, but after a good chat with them the signs look more promising.

We too spoke to some Hull fans, but at the Four Nations Fans Forum, & they said the same & that Agar ruined most of their players. They were more glad that he had gone rather than Lauaki!!

cpwigan wrote:

DaveO wrote:

butt monkey wrote: Well that's it then! Are you saying that Wigan's potential future signings MUST be based on Hull fan's ratings of them?

They don't "like" Sam Tomkins much either - maybe we should release him then? :sly:

Are you being remotely serious?

The Hull fans don't rate him as player and the stats back up their position.

There are plenty of Wigan fans who don't rate him either and the stats back up their position as well.

You have not got a point :doz:

Are fans always right? (apart from me) IIRC, when this signing was first muted the reaction of most Wigan fans was that he was a dirty so and so BUT the stats did not back that up. Their view, an incorrect view was based on one notorious incident.

Nobody not even Hull fans can comment on his stats because to my knowledge nobody knows how many minutes he played to provide a fair statistical comparison. For example, if a player makes 12 tackles in 20 minutes he is harder working than a player making 36 tackles in 80 minutes.

As I stated earlier, the one reason I think this could be a good signing is that he could offer impact with a rugged physicality that Fielden, Lima, Mossop, Crosby, Spencer do not offer. Something unique/different.

I would not expect the fans of a club that a player is leaving for a rival to be entirely favourable. Subjectivity?Does any Wigan fan want a player to fail? What is achieved? Bragging rights to say I told you so?

He isn't leaving Hull for a rival club. He was released by Hull at the end of their season.