Ian Lenagan and The Salary Cap

[Nezza Faz]

As a sport we need to improve the profile of our game and SL in particular.

If clubs are allowed the marquee signing it can't fail to put bums on seats, so in essence it should more than pay for itself, if each club could acquire top talent that attracts the fans and the media. Apparently, Kevin Locke's had a blinder today for Salford at Huddersfield, so will be interesting to see if this brings out more home fans next time round and in the near future ?

I'm also in the camp that has no problem with the likes of the Doctor, if he so wishes to invest his money in the game and he does appear to be in it for the long term. So much better than (mainly) those old fashioned Yorkshire clubs who veto all the progressive moves, and so hold the game back. And I can't help feel that those same people will again turn this measure down and drag standards even lower. I hope for the best.

[cpwigan]

Agree Nezza. The trifle amounts the RFL give clubs as supposed extra funds are meaningless and achieve nothing. If the Cap increased by 100,000 or even 200,000 it would simply mean existing players getting a little more, several undeservedly.

[Dobby]

If someone like Koukash wants to plough money into Rugby League then let him. People complain that there is no money in RL but when someone wants to plough money into the game we put obstacles in place to stop them. If Koukash wants to bring in top players and build a team of stars I think it would be great for RL and all clubs would benefit. I remember the 80s and 90s when star signings often paid for themselves through extra people coming through the turnstyles. I also wouldnt mind seeing minimum wages put in place to stop youngsters playing for peanuts.

[DaveO]

It's intersting how one can interpret stats.
IL has been at Wigan for six full seasons and won six trophies.
Hetherington in his first six seasons at Leeds won only the C Cup.
GH has been at Leeds for 18 full seasons and won 12 trophies. They are 6 GF's, 3 WCC, 2LLS & 1 C Cup.

In the period of SL, Saints have been the most successful club winning 14 trophies. Wigan and Leeds tie with 12 each, Bradford next having won 9

Hetherington has done well at Leeds but no better than Wigan, and not as well as Saints, despite us at Wigan not managing the Salary cap at all until Ian Lenagan bought the club.

That Hetherington has managed the SC better than Wigan or Ian Lenagan doesn't appear to be the case on (my) reading of the evidence! He certainly hasn't managed it better than Saints. Given that Saints haven't won anything since 2008



PL Note - Stats from Bilko's site and the Rhinos site.

If you want to compare IL to other teams chairman you can only do it in the period from when IL has owned the club. Going looking for when other chairmen were were not as successful is just cherry picking.

During the period since IL took over Leeds won 5 GF's to our 2. If IL is that good why isn't the statistic the other way around?

Leeds as you know have managed to keep a far more settled side over this time. Before 2007 Union and NRL raids were far less frequent and so managing to keep a squad together was far less of a feat than it has been in recent seasons.

Hetherington has despite the rise in fortunes of RU and the NRL kept his squad together while we have not and it's a huge reason why they have been more successful than us since IL took over IMO.

[DaveO]

I actually agree with you DaveO but I am uncomfortable with you taking the morale high ground when on another sensible thread you said 'Anybody that doesn't think Locke is a quality player is an idiot.' In my opinion that comment added absolutely nothing to that discussion either.

And just what does yours above add to this one? Why didn't you keep comments about that in that thread if you wanted to prolong the indignation? Or are you going to follow me around the threads looking for excuse to mention it?

You are second poster in this thread to derail it with posts about posters not the topic.

Just pointing out DaveO that the site isn't one rule for one and another rule for another. You can't expect posters to behave in a certain way when you don't yourself, it's called 'double standards'.

Given the content of the original post I made you will have to forgive me if I see the above as a load of false indignation. The first poster who responded was looking for an excuse to make a point. There are far worse examples on here than that.

[cpwigan]

You would think Leeds would want a higher salary cap yet they do not. Somehow Leeds manage to remain under the salary cap yet retain their best players. Go figure

[TrueBlueWarrior]

And just what does yours above add to this one? Why didn't you keep comments about that in that thread if you wanted to prolong the indignation? Or are you going to follow me around the threads looking for excuse to mention it?

You are second poster in this thread to derail it with posts about posters not the topic.

Just pointing out DaveO that the site isn't one rule for one and another rule for another. You can't expect posters to behave in a certain way when you don't yourself, it's called 'double standards'.

Given the content of the original post I made you will have to forgive me if I see the above as a load of false indignation. The first poster who responded was looking for an excuse to make a point. There are far worse examples on here than that.

One thing about me DaveO is I am always the first to disagree with something I don't agree with (obviously), however I am the first to agree with something that I agree with (obviously). I am not prejudice about posts because of who posts it, I mean I could be having a massive disagreement with you on one thread but within seconds I could read another thread and post that I totally agree with you. I just like equality and fairness, at the risk of sounding cheesy, I don't like double standards whether I agree with what the poster is saying in that instance or not!

In terms of IL and the Salary Cap, well here is my simplistic view. IL has money burning a hole in his pocket currently, should he spend it? Yes because as a fan I want us to win everything and comfortably. However, do I want us to remain competitive but also a bloody well run business, again course I do! So for me it is a rock and a hard place situation!!

[JUKESAYS]

It's intersting how one can interpret stats.
IL has been at Wigan for six full seasons and won six trophies.
Hetherington in his first six seasons at Leeds won only the C Cup.
GH has been at Leeds for 18 full seasons and won 12 trophies. They are 6 GF's, 3 WCC, 2LLS & 1 C Cup.

In the period of SL, Saints have been the most successful club winning 14 trophies. Wigan and Leeds tie with 12 each, Bradford next having won 9

Hetherington has done well at Leeds but no better than Wigan, and not as well as Saints, despite us at Wigan not managing the Salary cap at all until Ian Lenagan bought the club.

That Hetherington has managed the SC better than Wigan or Ian Lenagan doesn't appear to be the case on (my) reading of the evidence! He certainly hasn't managed it better than Saints. Given that Saints haven't won anything since 2008



PL Note - Stats from Bilko's site and the Rhinos site.

If you want to compare IL to other teams chairman you can only do it in the period from when IL has owned the club. Going looking for when other chairmen were were not as successful is just cherry picking.

During the period since IL took over Leeds won 5 GF's to our 2. If IL is that good why isn't the statistic the other way around?

Leeds as you know have managed to keep a far more settled side over this time. Before 2007 Union and NRL raids were far less frequent and so managing to keep a squad together was far less of a feat than it has been in recent seasons.

Hetherington has despite the rise in fortunes of RU and the NRL kept his squad together while we have not and it's a huge reason why they have been more successful than us since IL took over IMO.

By my reckoning Leeds have won four to our 2? (You can't count 2007 as DW was in charge till the end of 2007.

I would also say it took hetherington/Leeds about 7/8 years to win their first GF from taking over, it took IFL 3?

It took IFL 2/3 years to unwind some of the heavily lopsided contracts within the club and restructure, whether through luck, coincidence, good management etc that led to the start of 2010 k since then I would argue he certainly has been as if not more successful than any other chairman.

Ps
happy clapper Alert!
Although if you want me to list things I think he has got wrong I will, I just see it that he's got far more right than wrong.

[menpond]

Well ,if We pay our younger players,eg Burgess and others starter salaries,then assuming we use the full salary cap, then the top 4/or 5 players must be on test standard salaries, and that may be upsetting the bulk of the squad who may resent the differential? and do not accept the top players are that much better than the rest?

[cpwigan]

Wigan RLFC will never cheat the the salary cap. They will not even act against the spirit of the blessed thing. The biggest crux is how can the so called rebel clubs instigate meaningful change without damaging the sport. Not easy IMO but change is badly needed.

The target of any anger / angst should be the RFL & the likes of Roy Cropper at Leeds not Wigan RFL.