DaveO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:06 am
Flash wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:29 am
DaveO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:24 pm
Same comment applies to this list as that Flash ca e up with, I don’t know enough about the non Wigan players to comment but the rest are equally poor examples. How many games has Williams played at hooker? Is Sam Tomkins now not seen as a full back and no longer as a stand off? The worst one is KPP and suggesting his time at centre is evidence of anything given he was quickly found out by other teams and just wasn’t good at it is a real stretch.
As I said in my other reply, players often transition from one position to another as their career progresses and they get older but don’t often pop up all over the field. Wingers have even ended up as props before now but they don’t go back to playing on the wing.
And the most predictable thing on this forum happens; DaveO pops up with a straw man argument. Please point out where I said these weren't transitions as a career progressed. The discussion was about players being able to play more than one position to a high standard. ALL the examples I have given have done exactly that. No one has even mentioned returning to their previous position except you. Your comments are totally meaningless in the context of the discussion.
As for KPP, he won man of the match from prop on Friday and I absolutely GUARANTEE he will return to the back row at some point.
Oh! And for the record George Williams played a Grand Final at hooker. Is that a good enough standard for you given that SL doesn't have a higher standard than that? Or would you like to pretend again that I said the number of games played was the defining factor?
Utter nonsense. The fact, once, KPP won MoM at centres does not alter the fact that experiment has thankfully not not been repeated and he was found out later. The same applies to Williams. Go on, tell me how many games Williams has played as a no 9 as opposed to a half back. I bet you don’t even need the fingers on one hand to count that.
As to not making it clear player’s transitioned to other positions as their careers progressed where did you actually make it clear that is what you, meant!? You did not. So what exactly is your point?
That you agree with me the examples you gave are of players who switched positions as their career progressed and never went back to previous positions? Or what because I have no idea.
Saying "utter nonsense" doesn't make it so Dave. He has won MOM from centre and now prop but because DaveO thinks it doesn't count, that's all that matters! He also gained selection for his country while playing at centre but let's ignore that too shall we as DaveO doesn't agree! Seems that what DaveO thinks is the only criteria DaveO can consider.
All of which is irrelevant anyway. You've picked 2 examples from a list and, because you disagree, think it "proves" your argument. Care to argue about the other 7 or 8 on that list? No, thought not...
As for Williams he played an entire season at hooker, culminating in a Grand Final. What level counts as SL level in your book Dave?
For the last time, whether the transition was over the course of a career is entirely irrelevant! If they played more than one position to a good standard then they qualify for "having played more than one position to a good standard". Can you see it now? In case you're still struggling, the clue is in the wording. You can introduce all the extraneous factors you like but that's not what's being discussed. The timing of said transition was never a factor. Neither was the colour of their hair or if there was an "r" in the month when they made the switch. Keep banging on about it if it makes you feel better but, as ever with you, it's just another straw man argument.
Ditto going back to their previous positions. What the hell relevance has that to whether they played more than one position to a high standard? As it goes, several on my lists have. Tomkins played international 6 again after establishing himself as a fullback. Welsby and Lomax still switch between the two and Lockyer played both internationally! I could add others. Sculthorpe regularly switched between standoff and loose forward, Sinfield between loose and standoff too and even played internationals at hooker! Andy Farrell played prop, reverted to loose and even became a union centre! You're talking "utter nonsense" as you like to say.
However, none of that matters anyway as, again, a prerequisite of "having played more than one position to a high standard" isn't dependant on whether you revert to your old position. Again I refer you to the clue in the wording as you seem to be having trouble understanding the concept.
Just for clarity: "playing more than one position to a high standard" means the player needs to have played more than one position to a high standard. Nothing more. Nothing less. Is that clear enough?