My kid in tears at school due to latics abuse

[adiddy]

Its such a shame that kids these days have such role models as Rooney, Ronaldo, etc who shout, swear, and are overaggressive, and like Man Utd and Arsenal, who have a fall out and its personal and from now on intended hatred! The kids see this and its Hatred to everyone but their own supporters, a learnt behaviour! I so hope the child in question will continue to wear their Wigan shirt and be proud of it!

PS Nate, do you really think Man Utd has died, or got worse since the Glazers took over? I remember hearing the Chairman of the supporters association saying that at a pre-season friendly that there would be 6000 in the ground and 60,000 outside! No surprise when Old Trafford sold out!!!! When it comes down to it, the supporters support Man Utd and that is why they will always be successful! Just like Wigan Rugby League! We dont need a new Rugby Club, we have one we love already!!!!

[jodie clark]

the fact is most of them wernt there in the nineties they just decided they are latics fans because they have gone up and done so well and i would like latics to do well but also to leave us alone we are to completly different sports

[stacey c]

only 29?

[w@rrior4life]

Typical. Warriors fans have goaded and called latics fans for years on end. When latics fans give abit back now they have bragging rights you all spit the dummy out!

ps. Rugby is hardly a role model sport is it, cause there's no aggression in it at all is there. In reply to the person who said Rooney is a bad role model. What has he done exactly?

[DaveO]

w@rrior4life posted:
Typical. Warriors fans have goaded and called latics fans for years on end. When latics fans give abit back now they have bragging rights you all spit the dummy out!

I think the case in point that started this thread had everything to do with kids being kids (i.e. cruel, as they can be)than any form of payback given none of the kids giving the stick out would have been born when Wigan RL were dominant so would have nothing to pay back!

ps. Rugby is hardly a role model sport is it, cause there's no aggression in it at all is there. In reply to the person who said Rooney is a bad role model. What has he done exactly?

That statemant shows you know nothing about Rugby (of either code) and not a great deal about soccer either.

I don't know why i am bothering but....

Rugby teaches you respect. For your opponents and the officials. The attitude shown in the professional game is there right down to junior level.

The opposite is true in soccer. Rooney and others show no respect for officials and generaly behave like spoilt brats. And guess what? The kids who idolise them behave the same way. Now I know that is a generalisation but having experience of junior level soccer and Rugby first hand as a parent, some of the kids in soccer would be sent off the Rugby pitch in five seconds if thay behaved as I have seen them do playing soccer.

Dave

[robjoenz]

DaveO posted:
Rugby teaches you respect. For your opponents and the officials. The attitude shown in the professional game is there right down to junior level.

The opposite is true in soccer. Rooney and others show no respect for officials and generaly behave like spoilt brats. And guess what? The kids who idolise them behave the same way. Now I know that is a generalisation but having experience of junior level soccer and Rugby first hand as a parent, some of the kids in soccer would be sent off the Rugby pitch in five seconds if thay behaved as I have seen them do playing soccer.

Rugby league is not without its underhand tactics.

Leeds in the last couple of years have started playing for penalties by diving to the floor when the tackler is getting up off them (referees seem to have got wise to this though and penalising the play-the-ball if it's not done correctly).

There are much more subtle tactics in rugby with how a player may try to gain an advantage, some may argue it's not cheating but some will when you look at cheating on a varying scale. You see hands in at the tackle, laying on, trying to undermine the referees confidence by continually bombarding him with questions (what tackle sir, how long's left sir, why did you give that in the first half sir) whilst he's trying to concentrate on the game.

I agree that footballers show a lot less respect to referees but have you heard some of the comments parents come out with during junior matches? Open age players don't give the referee that much stick (and I'm not joking).

[DaveO]

robjoenz posted:


Rugby league is not without its underhand tactics.

Leeds in the last couple of years have started playing for penalties by diving to the floor when the tackler is getting up off them (referees seem to have got wise to this though and penalising the play-the-ball if it's not done correctly).

There are much more subtle tactics in rugby with how a player may try to gain an advantage, some may argue it's not cheating but some will when you look at cheating on a varying scale. You see hands in at the tackle, laying on, trying to undermine the referees confidence by continually bombarding him with questions (what tackle sir, how long's left sir, why did you give that in the first half sir) whilst he's trying to concentrate on the game.

Is any of that relevant? I mean when was the last time you saw a group of players surround the ref and have a go or any player go beserk half an inch from the refs face in RL? Gamesmanship is one thing but that is not what I am on about. It is beahviour.

I agree that footballers show a lot less respect to referees but have you heard some of the comments parents come out with during junior matches? Open age players don't give the referee that much stick (and I'm not joking).

I can only go off what I see and the attitude of parents in junior soccer is appaling compared to what I see at my sons rugby club. The players in the junior teams also mimic the bahviour of the pro players, which is bad. That does not happen in the rugby.

It is a whole different attitude and a clear contrast.

Dave

[robjoenz]

We do like a good discussion don't we Dave! hehe

DaveO posted:
Is any of that relevant? I mean when was the last time you saw a group of players surround the ref and have a go or any player go beserk half an inch from the refs face in RL? Gamesmanship is one thing but that is not what I am on about. It is beahviour.

About two weeks ago in a game that got abandonned for continual dangerous play. The coach then proceeded to verbally abuse the referee with a few of his players.

I can only go off what I see and the attitude of parents in junior soccer is appaling compared to what I see at my sons rugby club. The players in the junior teams also mimic the bahviour of the pro players, which is bad. That does not happen in the rugby.

It is a whole different attitude and a clear contrast.

Oh I know, it's a lot, lot worse. A friend of mine used to referee football at junior level, he packed it in because he couldn't be bothered with the hassle of parents running onto the pitch and abuse from players.

[ince warrior]

The_Bad_Guy posted:

w@rrior4life posted:
Typical. Warriors fans have goaded and called latics fans for years on end. When latics fans give abit back now they have bragging rights you all spit the dummy out!

well said mate my thoughts exactly

this isn't about a bit of banter mate, i think it's more to do with a kid being bullied for supporting another team... he's 6 for goodness sake! Grow up and have a bit of compassion

[DaveO]

robjoenz posted:
We do like a good discussion don't we Dave! hehe

We certainly do!

DaveO posted:
Is any of that relevant? I mean when was the last time you saw a group of players surround the ref and have a go or any player go beserk half an inch from the refs face in RL? Gamesmanship is one thing but that is not what I am on about. It is beahviour.

About two weeks ago in a game that got abandonned for continual dangerous play. The coach then proceeded to verbally abuse the referee with a few of his players.

I'd be interested to know what action the authorities took on that one. I have never seen anything like it apart from one incident where the opposition coach walked onto the pitch and laid hands on one of our players who at the end of a game was squaring up to an opponent (6 of one half a dozen of the other). It is hard to describe as he was not seperating a potential fight but having a go at our player. The fact he physically touched him broke the child protextion rules, he was reported and banned for 8 weeks.

As to parents for the first time this season we did have a parent at Warrington giving a lot of very loud opinions to the ref (who is our teams coach and a policeman, John) but John, just went over and spoke to him and he shut up until the second half when he switched sides of the pitch and was encouraging his lad to thump one of our players at which point another of our coaches had a word.

That though is it for the season and the Warrington blokes fellow parents were embarassed by his actions and it was dealt with swiftly.

I can only go off what I see and the attitude of parents in junior soccer is appaling compared to what I see at my sons rugby club. The players in the junior teams also mimic the bahviour of the pro players, which is bad. That does not happen in the rugby.

It is a whole different attitude and a clear contrast.

Oh I know, it's a lot, lot worse. A friend of mine used to referee football at junior level, he packed it in because he couldn't be bothered with the hassle of parents running onto the pitch and abuse from players.

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The big difference between junior soccer and rugby is the refs in soccer are FA qualified but are ususally teenagers. They quite easily fold under the pressure of loud mouthed parents many of whom see it as part of the game almost to have a go at the ref.

In the rugby it is usually one of the teams coaches who refs the game, they are an adult and have the respect of the players and the parents so even if you think they are wrong you just mutter under your breath rather than launch into abuse. If you did that you would be asked to leave.

Dave