General election

[thegimble]

Beauty of all this is Corbyn just needs to sit back and let Tories do what they are great at. Backstab each other. They will just hand him the next election on a plate. Tories once power is threatened just do what Work on here does and attacks him.

Instead of talking up the Tories policies they will just go negative message. People have had enough of it. Tories have no idea how to discuss policies all they do is attack Corbyn just as work does. All that tactic did was let Corbyn off the hook and let him discuss policies.

And ok worm does is attack and he thinks he is converting people to the devil sorry Tories. That was the mail and sun tactic and it gave Corbyn 30 seats extra and let to soft brexit.

Epic fail of our time.

Worm talk up the Tories rather than attack someone it did not work for the right wing mail mafia and its not working for you.

[Wandering Warrior]

Interesting comments from the grey man, John Major, today on Mrs Mayhem's unholy alliance with DUP.
He's showing concern 're.the Irish peace agreement and quite rightly so.
Despite what the Tories say this shows a bias towards one side, Henry's boys, and therein lies a big root of the problem in the past.

[Wiganer Ted]

Today both Macron and Schauble have said the UK can change its mind over Brexit if it so chooses.
They have obviously got the message from the UK electorate, that
we have all seen, that there has been a massive demographic shift in the ages of the voters and the parties they voted for.

The EU were talking to the press a month ago saying it would need younger voters to shift the opinion of UK politicians towards over Brexit. That may have come before they, and us, expected it.
They knew that of the 17.4m leave voters 7.2m were aged over 65. That's out of a total over 65 population of 11.6m.
62% of over 65s voters voted Leave.
The demographic time bomb is ticking for Brexit. They know it and the UK Govt know it.

How both parties now proceed towards Brexit will be very interesting as they know by 2020 the 1.27m majority for Brexit won't be there.

It appears the main players in the EU are trying to help out our politicians as they know Brexit is not a democratic decision that can stand the test of time.

[Wormburner]

Today both Macron and Schauble have said the UK can change its mind over Brexit if it so chooses.
They have obviously got the message from the UK electorate, that
we have all seen, that there has been a massive demographic shift in the ages of the voters and the parties they voted for.

The EU were talking to the press a month ago saying it would need younger voters to shift the opinion of UK politicians towards over Brexit. That may have come before they, and us, expected it.
They knew that of the 17.4m leave voters 7.2m were aged over 65. That's out of a total over 65 population of 11.6m.
62% of over 65s voters voted Leave.
The demographic time bomb is ticking for Brexit. They know it and the UK Govt know it.

How both parties now proceed towards Brexit will be very interesting as they know by 2020 the 1.27m majority for Brexit won't be there.

It appears the main players in the EU are trying to help out our politicians as they know Brexit is not a democratic decision that can stand the test of time.

It has nothing to do with the population in 3 years time ffs, a democratic vote was held and a democratic decision was made by the people, the will of the people must be witheld

[thegimble]

Today both Macron and Schauble have said the UK can change its mind over Brexit if it so chooses.
They have obviously got the message from the UK electorate, that
we have all seen, that there has been a massive demographic shift in the ages of the voters and the parties they voted for.

The EU were talking to the press a month ago saying it would need younger voters to shift the opinion of UK politicians towards over Brexit. That may have come before they, and us, expected it.
They knew that of the 17.4m leave voters 7.2m were aged over 65. That's out of a total over 65 population of 11.6m.
62% of over 65s voters voted Leave.
The demographic time bomb is ticking for Brexit. They know it and the UK Govt know it.

How both parties now proceed towards Brexit will be very interesting as they know by 2020 the 1.27m majority for Brexit won't be there.

It appears the main players in the EU are trying to help out our politicians as they know Brexit is not a democratic decision that can stand the test of time.

It has nothing to do with the population in 3 years time ffs, a democratic vote was held and a democratic decision was made by the people, the will of the people must be witheld

What if the will of the people changed enough so we need another referendum.

Politics changed on thursday. I agree we need to go with the will of the people but that has to be extended if the will to leave changes.

Or is it democracy as long as it goes my way for you

[Wandering Warrior]

Today both Macron and Schauble have said the UK can change its mind over Brexit if it so chooses.
They have obviously got the message from the UK electorate, that
we have all seen, that there has been a massive demographic shift in the ages of the voters and the parties they voted for.

The EU were talking to the press a month ago saying it would need younger voters to shift the opinion of UK politicians towards over Brexit. That may have come before they, and us, expected it.
They knew that of the 17.4m leave voters 7.2m were aged over 65. That's out of a total over 65 population of 11.6m.
62% of over 65s voters voted Leave.
The demographic time bomb is ticking for Brexit. They know it and the UK Govt know it.

How both parties now proceed towards Brexit will be very interesting as they know by 2020 the 1.27m majority for Brexit won't be there.

It appears the main players in the EU are trying to help out our politicians as they know Brexit is not a democratic decision that can stand the test of time.

It has nothing to do with the population in 3 years time ffs, a democratic vote was held and a democratic decision was made by the people, the will of the people must be witheld

Define Hard Brexit?
Define Soft Brexit?
Define chances of expectations being achieved?
Go on, you're the man with all the answers Medlocke.

[pedro]

Today both Macron and Schauble have said the UK can change its mind over Brexit if it so chooses.
They have obviously got the message from the UK electorate, that
we have all seen, that there has been a massive demographic shift in the ages of the voters and the parties they voted for.

The EU were talking to the press a month ago saying it would need younger voters to shift the opinion of UK politicians towards over Brexit. That may have come before they, and us, expected it.
They knew that of the 17.4m leave voters 7.2m were aged over 65. That's out of a total over 65 population of 11.6m.
62% of over 65s voters voted Leave.
The demographic time bomb is ticking for Brexit. They know it and the UK Govt know it.

How both parties now proceed towards Brexit will be very interesting as they know by 2020 the 1.27m majority for Brexit won't be there.

It appears the main players in the EU are trying to help out our politicians as they know Brexit is not a democratic decision that can stand the test of time.

It has nothing to do with the population in 3 years time ffs, a democratic vote was held and a democratic decision was made by the people, the will of the people must be witheld

Define Hard Brexit?
Define Soft Brexit?
Define chances of expectations being achieved?
Go on, you're the man with all the answers Medlocke.

Hard, Soft is irrelevant to be honets. Hes right the country voted it should stand its the same with the Scots.

[Wormburner]

Just shows they can not be trusted

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... fraud.html

[jobo]

Just shows they can not be trusted

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... fraud.html

Done the crime, did the time 11 years ago. No story here.
However, don't think you could say the same about lots and lots of Tories.
Telegraph at one time was a half decent newspaper, with some really good journalism, despite always being right wing. However, with its present owners it has become
so obsessed in trying to belittle Labour, you'd be hard put not to think there's a tad bit of nuttiness running the show. Same as all the right wing press really, totally unpatriotic and existing to further their owners own ends.
Try subscribing to Private Eye.

[Wiganer Ted]

The Telegraph is now a Tabloid on Broadsheet size paper.

As for Wormer saying in 3 years the referendum should not be tested is complete nonsense. If May can call an election 2 years after the last one then we can have a referendum 3 years on!
Democratic countries have elections every 4/5 years as the country has changed, politics has changed, economics have changed and the demographic make up has changed. Elections define democracies.

AS for Brexit after the GE, well we are in a mess. The EU can't get anything from our Govt less than one week before talks begin. And I wonder why that is? Perhaps because they don't know what they are doing and what is expected of them. They have now asked Labour to help them out.
After the referendum result, some of the main Leave players resigned and ran away. Cameron, Farage, Johnson and Gove. They bottled it and left it to someone else to sort out the mess they created.

Both parties are playing the Brexit game and less than two years down the track they'll announce together a new referendum.
IMO of course.