Klein is Bent

[DaveO]

robjoenz posted:

cpwigan posted:
I have never believed that decisions even themselves out. Teams playing poorly get more decisions go against them because they present the referee with more decisions to make and more opportunities to get it wrong.

Me either, and there is often good reason for it. I agree with what you say but there is also anotehr factor you haven't mentioned. When nothing you try comes off frustration creeps in, this leads to a fall in composure and then discipline, which is often why poor sides conceed more penalties and it hits them where it hurts, tries! This is always seen as the referee being biased, bent or useless.

Players making mistakes is one thing. Refs making mistakes is another. This thread is about the latter. The idea a poor team makes more mistakes is not rocket science but then surely the same applies to the refs. A poor one will make more mistakes than a good one.

It had nothing to do with Wigan that Klien missed things Saints did or did not do in that game so lets not excuse Klien due to Wigan giving him more work to do.

Withers holds Gardener down and correctly gets sin binned.

Agreed.

He was not sin binned for holding down but for dissent. From the Sporting Life web site:

St Helens scored their second try through centre Willie Talau, who was making his 100th appearance, while Wigan were down to 12 following the sin-binning of full-back Michael Withers for dissent.

"I thought it was a tough call," said Noble.

Ak made mistakes again, after Bailey then Lockers missed Gilmour and he breaks sprinting down the pitch. He throws a forward pass. AK is stretched physically and that impacts on him mentally. He gets no assistance from the touchie.

Agreed in that the TJ didn't give him any help, I don't think he was up with play at that point. Forward pass? The ball travelled forward, yes! Were the hands facing forwards? Debatable, didn't look that bad to me. When a player running at pace passes it flat, it's going to look forward every time.

The game, as it is played currently, uses up every square millimetre of the rules, there is hardly any black and white anymore. This makes it hard to referee. As I described above, flat passes look forward, if you pull them up you punish good attacking play.

It's gone form being forward to a flat pass in the space of two paragraphs. It was forward, he missed it and it wasn't just a bit forward either.

If you give benefit of the doubt you promote good attacking play. The only way to make it easier would be to say that the ball must arrive at a point further back than it was thrown. I can't see this happening though.

What do the rules say? Do they mention benefit of the doubt, flat passes or even dare I say it the infamous Steveo momentum rule?

I don't equate good attacking play with forward passes.

Dave

[turf]

Wasn't it KK who quite a while back said, something along the lines that referees mistakes are down to being under the influence of fatigue.

[Matthew]

Rob - have you ever seen a referee give a poor performance? If we, collectively as fans are guilty of blind hatred for saints; then you are equally guilty for your rose tinted view of Klein's (non) performance. It seems that as time as progressed you are less a Wigan fan and more a referee fan.

The stains players did influence Klein - he must have been aware of this - as he finally got sick of being told what to do by stains (and probably how stupid it was making him look) and awarded a penalty against meli for dummying the POTB.

IF Calderwood knocked the ball out of wellens hand when he played it then was it not a loose carry - the fact that he chucked it 3 feet behind him made it look like he was milking it - this was further proved by the incomprehensible scouse swearing fit he had to try and emphasize his displeasure.

Messing around at the POTB is one thing. Deliberately reaching up to pull the ball out of someone's hand when on your own try line like Pryce did is a professional foul. Professional fouls are punished with a yellow card.

Fozzard not only got away with his forearm charge technique - he also held on to Locker's shirt to gain a penalty and in doing so completely outsmarted Klein - and let's face it, fozzard isn't exactly Stephen Hawkin.

[OAMJSONA]

CP

Touch judges have been told to keep quite as far as i know ?????????????????????/ what is the point of even having them.They are about as useless as having scrums these days

[cpwigan]

OAM is that is correct mate, you are right.

A touchie is in the perfect place for forward passes IMO.

[OAMJSONA]

Radical idea guys and gals:

Do away with referees and Tjs and lets just play rugby:

may be too radical

???? what do you think

[cpwigan]

Sounds like caveman rugby we used to play in the schoolyard. Somehow I cannot see it working

[OAMJSONA]

it was meant as joke

But as anyone any reasonable ideas to put to the powers that be about how the refereeing standards can be improved, for the better ment of our great game.

This is a serious question to everyone on site

[waterside glens]

i was surprised when ganson made a mistake today and the video ref corrected without ganson having to ask

[robjoenz]

DaveO posted:
It's gone form being forward to a flat pass in the space of two paragraphs. It was forward, he missed it and it wasn't just a bit forward either.

What do the rules say? Do they mention benefit of the doubt, flat passes or even dare I say it the infamous Steveo momentum rule?

I have not once said that it was forward.

The ball must not be thrown in the direction of the opponents line. It doesn't matter which direction it travels in or bounces in after it's thrown as long as the direction the hands throw it in is not facing the opponents try line. Look at Gilmours right arm/hands as he throws it.