WiganWarriorsFans.com

Thank TBW. Yes I do go against the grain at times. Like my support on a couple of occations where I sided with the video ref. I could see why I could argue the point as a warriors supporter but I for one could see why try was given or denighwd by the VR. I tend to try and look at both sides. Hense I started to watch ball belivery and catching/dropping. Yes 50% plus would be Gellings fault but there was a good proportion no winger could have taken. Not all my assumptions have been proved incorrect. I got slated for suggesting we look at Brough and Blanch. Neither would make SL grade and I was the uknowing dipstick. Yes I wear a tinlid. The posters who don't no longer post. The site feels as if there is a pack in the corner waiting to pounce if we don't follow the party line. Apart from a couple of windups where I got a wee ban I believe what I write and I have always supported the underdog. I genuinely never took to Barrett. What I write about him is what I believe. Sorry if that does not follow the general opinion promoted on here. I know others share my views but would not expect them to commit such blasphamy to the written word. Look at this thread, Thornley scores a couple of tries against a well beaten team. Why was the thread not about Thornley? Answer it had to include the current whipping boy.
If that gets up my nose I will express honest views. And yes, I will again be over-analysed and I will be critisising Carmont instead of apportioning blame to both parties.
I don't have book after book of statistics because I am a supporter not a nerd. I enjoy the game of rugby league. I support Wigan as my teaqm of choise. My wife has supported them for over fifty years. The mistakes as much as the clinical finishes make the game. You feel for every action. Because I do not sit there taking notes I don't understand the science. I neither need or want to. I understand the passion and attitude of players, I understand commitment. Learning on the job is a hard way to go. Gelling shows he has the bottle to go for it. As I said others can be just as buttery fingered and never get mentioned. Like Mathers uder the high bomb the pack is waiting for the error. If you believe that has no effect on the players you are wrong in a big way. It was ith disgust I heard the long awwwwww coming from Wigan fans as Mathers waited the arrival of the next high bomb. That would make any player panic. Jim

Jim you do realise that you hardly hear the crowd when playing. It becomes a background noise. You literally have to stand a few yards from somebody to hear what they say particularly when you are in motion and the ball is in play. The most I ever played sport in fron of was several hundred. It guess it is even harder to hear / comunicate beyond a noise blue in fron of thousands.

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:Gelling is not a winger, he is quick once he gets going but what i have seen of him so far he does not posses the speed off the mark to back up or explode through the gap.

George realises this and holds onto the ball, which is the sensible thing to do.

For HC to suggest carmont is a poor player then i would suggest you watch Wigan when GC plays and When he doesnt and you will see how valuable the guy is to the team.

HC goes on about Trent Barret, fair comment you didnt like the bloke, but i would ask you to consider your opinion of him under a better coach like madge ?

Noble couldnt coach him as he knew more than him simple as that and Barrett was a lone star in that team as others were simply not performing.

I suggest you read my posts rather than pick up on what others say about my posts. That way you might not put such blatant errors on print. Nowhere have I ever said Carmont is a poor player. and your comment on Barrett is exactly what I have been saying all along. He put himself above the coach and team. Get your facts straight before you do your criticism.

highland convert wrote:

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:Gelling is not a winger, he is quick once he gets going but what i have seen of him so far he does not posses the speed off the mark to back up or explode through the gap.

George realises this and holds onto the ball, which is the sensible thing to do.

For HC to suggest carmont is a poor player then i would suggest you watch Wigan when GC plays and When he doesnt and you will see how valuable the guy is to the team.

HC goes on about Trent Barret, fair comment you didnt like the bloke, but i would ask you to consider your opinion of him under a better coach like madge ?

Noble couldnt coach him as he knew more than him simple as that and Barrett was a lone star in that team as others were simply not performing.

I suggest you read my posts rather than pick up on what others say about my posts. That way you might not put such blatant errors on print. Nowhere have I ever said Carmont is a poor player. and your comment on Barrett is exactly what I have been saying all along. He put himself above the coach and team. Get your facts straight before you do your criticism.

Your losing the plot Jim

Instead of creating half baked ill founded ideas ASK Sam Tomkins in person how much Trent Barrett helped him; ASK the fellow Wigan players at the time what Trent Barrett contributed to the club / team / them.

Whatsmore you attempt to argue a point of view and then backtrack worse than a politician. YOU said George Carmont was the common denominator re Pat failing in his first season (TOTALLY INCORRECT BTW), for Karl Pryce failing and now Gelling (You are the only one writing him off BTW)

You then personally attack posters when embarassed.

How old are you Jim, get a grip

And you don't. Biggest disappointment for many was when you came out of retirement. You may have a good knowledge of Wigan Warriors, note the club name, but it is tempered with contempt to anyone who disagrees with you. My last post on this subject as I am being brought down to your level and that is certainly not a place I want to be.

Yes, but it was never intended to be taken as "every time" as you are implying.
One word "Barrett" do I get a prize.

Jim you were talking out your behind so everybody disagreed. Quite simple really. Do not try to blame me, father christmas or the tooth fairy you got it wrong and people said so. You then cried wolf because you had nowhere to go.

cpwigan wrote:

highland convert wrote:

TWO EYED WARRIOR wrote:Gelling is not a winger, he is quick once he gets going but what i have seen of him so far he does not posses the speed off the mark to back up or explode through the gap.

George realises this and holds onto the ball, which is the sensible thing to do.

For HC to suggest carmont is a poor player then i would suggest you watch Wigan when GC plays and When he doesnt and you will see how valuable the guy is to the team.

HC goes on about Trent Barret, fair comment you didnt like the bloke, but i would ask you to consider your opinion of him under a better coach like madge ?

Noble couldnt coach him as he knew more than him simple as that and Barrett was a lone star in that team as others were simply not performing.

I suggest you read my posts rather than pick up on what others say about my posts. That way you might not put such blatant errors on print. Nowhere have I ever said Carmont is a poor player. and your comment on Barrett is exactly what I have been saying all along. He put himself above the coach and team. Get your facts straight before you do your criticism.

Your losing the plot Jim

Instead of creating half baked ill founded ideas ASK Sam Tomkins in person how much Trent Barrett helped him; ASK the fellow Wigan players at the time what Trent Barrett contributed to the club / team / them.

Whatsmore you attempt to argue a point of view and then backtrack worse than a politician. YOU said George Carmont was the common denominator re Pat failing in his first season (TOTALLY INCORRECT BTW), for Karl Pryce failing and now Gelling (You are the only one writing him off BTW)

You then personally attack posters when embarassed.

How old are you Jim, get a grip

TB played for the Green and Golds and State of Origin, enough said about his ability.

When TB came to Wigan, we had lapsed into a downward spiral of failure which many of the players had signed up to. The juniors at the time thought they were superstars because they signed a contract with Wigan at 16 years of age. Professionals turned up to training with a couldn't care less attitude. Some players had no pride in the club and didn't potray themselves in the manner expected at our great club. TB was one of the architects that changed attitudes. Yes he wasn't alone, but his contribution was massive. He put in extra training shifts in the gym (both within and outside of the club). He spent hours on the paddock, when others had gone home, honing his skills. He coached juniors, at the club, in his own time and of his own volition. Gave good advice to all those willing to listen. Conducted himself in a totally professional manner when representing the club. He set the bar high for those wishing to follow his lead.

In my view, TB was a superstar and he will rank up there with all the great halfbacks in our history. More importantly he was the catalyst for the current crop of players including Sam Tomkins.

As for Gelling, he is trying his best. Winger never, centre maybe. There are far better wing players in the club and their try returns would have been far greater.

Well said SEFC!

TB is a legend in every aspect of the game, full stop.