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BriH wrote:The only really bad decision was the McGuire knock-on: the others you could put down to human error etc. The failure to go to the VR McGuire is inexcusable.

According to this morning's paper - Thaler said that it was "accidental" by McGuire so it was "play on." Sometimes you just couldn't make it up.

Southern Softy wrote:

BriH wrote:The only really bad decision was the McGuire knock-on: the others you could put down to human error etc. The failure to go to the VR McGuire is inexcusable.

According to this morning's paper - Thaler said that it was "accidental" by McGuire so it was "play on." Sometimes you just couldn't make it up.

If Thaler has said that then he should be struck off.

Well - struck would do for me.

Brett Delaney, their hard-working Australian second-row, broke through some more surprisingly porous Wigan defence down the left, but his inside pass was knocked down by a Wigan hand and then bounced forward off the supporting McGuire before Hardaker touched down between the posts.

However, the referee Ben Thaler ruled that McGuire's touch was accidental, and awarded the try – exposing yet again one of several rugby league rules that force officials to make an impossible judgment, and need urgent attention.

Andy Wilson The Observer 15 July 2012

Southern Softy wrote:Well - struck would do for me.

Brett Delaney, their hard-working Australian second-row, broke through some more surprisingly porous Wigan defence down the left, but his inside pass was knocked down by a Wigan hand and then bounced forward off the supporting McGuire before Hardaker touched down between the posts.

However, the referee Ben Thaler ruled that McGuire's touch was accidental, and awarded the try – exposing yet again one of several rugby league rules that force officials to make an impossible judgment, and need urgent attention.

Andy Wilson The Observer 15 July 2012

That makes it worse as if he even thought there was a knock on or a deviation in the movement of the ball he should have goe to the screen.

He has made things far worse and says so much about the arrogance of match officials.

Southern Softy wrote:Well - struck would do for me.

Brett Delaney, their hard-working Australian second-row, broke through some more surprisingly porous Wigan defence down the left, but his inside pass was knocked down by a Wigan hand and then bounced forward off the supporting McGuire before Hardaker touched down between the posts.

However, the referee Ben Thaler ruled that McGuire's touch was accidental, and awarded the try – exposing yet again one of several rugby league rules that force officials to make an impossible judgment, and need urgent attention.

Andy Wilson The Observer 15 July 2012

Where does it say in the article that Thaler had SAID it was accidental?

michael inch stoke wrote:

Southern Softy wrote:Well - struck would do for me.

Brett Delaney, their hard-working Australian second-row, broke through some more surprisingly porous Wigan defence down the left, but his inside pass was knocked down by a Wigan hand and then bounced forward off the supporting McGuire before Hardaker touched down between the posts.

However, the referee Ben Thaler ruled that McGuire's touch was accidental, and awarded the try – exposing yet again one of several rugby league rules that force officials to make an impossible judgment, and need urgent attention.

Andy Wilson The Observer 15 July 2012

Where does it say in the article that Thaler had SAID it was accidental?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/ju ... ge-cup[url]

Last but one paragraph nothing about the ref saying but either the jurno is talking crap or Thaler has his get out of jail card for reffing in SL next week.

Matthew wrote:It wasn't that he made mistake after mistake (apart from ignoring offside and square at marker), it was that he made mistakes at such key points that cost Wigan.

The last time he did this was against stains when he failed to send off LMS.

He is not up to the job or he is doing it deliberately. Either way, CP is right, the fans have to let him know just what we think of him - and that idiot roby too. It worked with Ganson, we gave him a hard time and he sorted his act out.

We made 5 critical "mis"-handling errors in the 1st half which were crucial, so much so that you virtually have given the game away. Compounded because the players involved you'd expect more of - Tomkins on 2 occasions, Charnley, Gelling (twice also) and then O'Loughlin in front of our posts.

That's 6 sets Leeds had (36 ptb's) that we didnt have - that's a huge handicap. So we were the villains of our own downfall. They then say you make your own luck.

Incidentally, Tim Roby is a Wigan lad and a fan, for most of his 20 odd years.

Heads up and concentrate on the Play-off's now - finishing top has to be the target, at least have a more settled line-up, especially in the halves.

Sounds like something a journalist has said rather than the ref to me. No such thing as an accidental knock on - if there is, then I guess they all are - noone is trying to knock on!

If there is truely an organised conspiracy in the RFL - how do they keep it quiet? They aren't very good are organising anything that they don't have to keep secret, so how do they manage to keep this major piece of organisation totally safe and secure and deploy it so effectively? When do they start to indoctrinate the officials - do any of them ever turn them down when asked to fix a match?

Also, if there are "instructions" being given to referees, don't you think that they would make it into the refs autobiographies in a few years - what would make a book sell better than a few match fixing revelations! I'll wait for some exciting reads from RFL officials and referees.


IMO conspiracy theories are a cop out. Play well and take the randomness of refereeing out of the equation as much as you can. We failed to do that yesterday

Nezza Faz wrote:

Matthew wrote:It wasn't that he made mistake after mistake (apart from ignoring offside and square at marker), it was that he made mistakes at such key points that cost Wigan.

The last time he did this was against stains when he failed to send off LMS.

He is not up to the job or he is doing it deliberately. Either way, CP is right, the fans have to let him know just what we think of him - and that idiot roby too. It worked with Ganson, we gave him a hard time and he sorted his act out.

We made 5 critical "mis"-handling errors in the 1st half which were crucial, so much so that you virtually have given the game away. Compounded because the players involved you'd expect more of - Tomkins on 2 occasions, Charnley, Gelling (twice also) and then O'Loughlin in front of our posts.

That's 6 sets Leeds had (36 ptb's) that we didnt have - that's a huge handicap. So we were the villains of our own downfall. They then say you make your own luck.

Incidentally, Tim Roby is a Wigan lad and a fan, for most of his 20 odd years.

Heads up and concentrate on the Play-off's now - finishing top has to be the target, at least have a more settled line-up, especially in the halves.

Whether Roby is a Wigan fan or not he is a very poor referee. Perhaps he is not to blame as he is a product of the Cummings era. Incidentally, an era where noses have to get very brown and favour earned to progress. Attaining Grade 1 / FT status on merit is not what it is about.

Officials are subjective beings, they can be pressurised into making favourable decisions. It is up to Wigan fans to give them hell if they are anything less than fair in their decision making. The DW should become a hell hole for Thaler.