Celebrating a win?!

[Panchitta Marra]

Alcohol therefore has little affect on team performances.
What short memories we have.
Martin Gleeson was not in any part to blame for Wigan's defeat against Leeds in the 2010 Challenge Cup Semi Final.

How do you explain Andy Greg then PM? or the 1994 WCC win in Aus PM?

Ask Andy Greg CP, its not my call on his performances, personally I would have loved to have seen Andy Greg at the best of his game, alcohol free, in our current team.
Is it your opinion that alcohol has little or no effect on players performances.

[cpwigan]

Personally I would prefer for alcohol to not even exist but it is incredibly hard to say what influence it directly has upon sportsmen/women.

Would Andy Greg have been better or worse minus alcohol. The textbook answer says yes he would have been better but would he? Perhaps he needed alcohol, perhaps he became dependent on it? I could find you a tea total more rounded, athletically scrum half and he would not be in the same class as Greg. I would much rather have a player with a huge heart, bags of courage and supreme tactical awareness who needded alcohol than a tea total super fit half back lacking heart, courage and tactical awareness.

Sports strips a man/woman 'naked' The true person is exposed in a way that perhaps only war exposes more. Even in war, 'enemies' rarely spend as long face to face. So is sport as simple and clear cut as the Dave O's of this world like to believe. Nothing is ever as simple and as clear cut as we think.

Alcohol I wish it did not exist and then the cost to our nations would be far less BUT where do you stop? I at the hysterical reaction to the Olympics in terms of sport in Britain when actually physical exercise lessons would offer far more benefit to this country than competitive sports lessons ever did in terms of health.

[platt-warrior]

Personally I would prefer for alcohol to not even exist but it is incredibly hard to say what influence it directly has upon sportsmen/women.

Would Andy Greg have been better or worse minus alcohol. The textbook answer says yes he would have been better but would he? Perhaps he needed alcohol, perhaps he became dependent on it? I could find you a tea total more rounded, athletically scrum half and he would not be in the same class as Greg. I would much rather have a player with a huge heart, bags of courage and supreme tactical awareness who needded alcohol than a tea total super fit half back lacking heart, courage and tactical awareness.

Sports strips a man/woman 'naked' The true person is exposed in a way that perhaps only war exposes more. Even in war, 'enemies' rarely spend as long face to face. So is sport as simple and clear cut as the Dave O's of this world like to believe. Nothing is ever as simple and as clear cut as we think.

Alcohol I wish it did not exist and then the cost to our nations would be far less BUT where do you stop? I at the hysterical reaction to the Olympics in terms of sport in Britain when actually physical exercise lessons would offer far more benefit to this country than competitive sports lessons ever did in terms of health.

I agree CP......well thats me done i'm off to plattwaz labour club for a snifter

[Panchitta Marra]

Personally I would prefer for alcohol to not even exist but it is incredibly hard to say what influence it directly has upon sportsmen/women.

Would Andy Greg have been better or worse minus alcohol. The textbook answer says yes he would have been better but would he? Perhaps he needed alcohol, perhaps he became dependent on it? I could find you a tea total more rounded, athletically scrum half and he would not be in the same class as Greg. I would much rather have a player with a huge heart, bags of courage and supreme tactical awareness who needded alcohol than a tea total super fit half back lacking heart, courage and tactical awareness.

Sports strips a man/woman 'naked' The true person is exposed in a way that perhaps only war exposes more. Even in war, 'enemies' rarely spend as long face to face. So is sport as simple and clear cut as the Dave O's of this world like to believe. Nothing is ever as simple and as clear cut as we think.

Alcohol I wish it did not exist and then the cost to our nations would be far less BUT where do you stop? I at the hysterical reaction to the Olympics in terms of sport in Britain when actually physical exercise lessons would offer far more benefit to this country than competitive sports lessons ever did in terms of health.

I know where you are coming from, and we hear stories of players having the swift half(s) before they went onto the pitch to assist their performance (as they would see it).
One such player that I remember as a youngster was Arnold "Boxer" Walker, who at the time was pushing Peter Sterling close as the worlds best Scrum Half.
Boxer never had to put his hand in his pocket in a pub to buy a drink as everyone wanted to be associated with him and would gladly buy the bloke his tipple.
I am not sure if Boxer was a full time professional, as players then had jobs to hold down in addition to their playing career, so maybe alcohol in the game in that era wouldnt be seen so bad.

[jobo]

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so maybe alcohol in the game in that era wouldnt be seen so bad.[/quote]

Think it was a prerequisite. After Tuesday/Thursday night training, the Griffin didn't half sell some ale.

[Kittwazzer]

I remember Arnie Walker. IIRC he wanted a move and Wigan made a play for him but he wouldn't leave Cumbria. Sort of limited his options!

[josie andrews]

so maybe alcohol in the game in that era wouldnt be seen so bad.[/quote]

Think it was a prerequisite. After Tuesday/Thursday night training, the Griffin didn't half sell some ale.

I know, I used to serve them

[jobo]

so maybe alcohol in the game in that era wouldnt be seen so bad.

Think it was a prerequisite. After Tuesday/Thursday night training, the Griffin didn't half sell some ale.

I know, I used to serve them

[/quote]

Crikey, small world. How long did you work there Josie?

[medlocke]

I remember Arnie Walker. IIRC he wanted a move and Wigan made a play for him but he wouldn't leave Cumbria. Sort of limited his options!

Why would anyone want to

[josie andrews]

so maybe alcohol in the game in that era wouldnt be seen so bad.

Think it was a prerequisite. After Tuesday/Thursday night training, the Griffin didn't half sell some ale.

I know, I used to serve them

Crikey, small world. How long did you work there Josie?[/quote]

I was friends with the family & went initially for three weeks in 87 to help out while Joan went to visit their daughter Lisa in SA. I ended up there for three & half years :exc: