Mike Cooper

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Caboosegg
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Re: Mike Cooper

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fozzieskem wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:26 pm
Caboosegg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:17 am
fozzieskem wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 10:40 pm

Why?

You don’t give a coach a big contract and then not back him that makes little sense,I said it a few weeks back Williams will be under Powell beady eye very much from now on,may not be this year but I’m sure he will want him moved on but we shall see.
Because he's take an underperforming team and made it worse, he hasn't shown anything yet other than taking Wire backwards.
Me lord I present the case for the defence…

Ian Watson last year at Huddersfield.

Me lord the case rests.

He has to be given time and his sort of player simple as that.
I disagree
Objection
Hearsay
Leading.

Huddersfield didn't go backwards they where still a difficult team to beat they have progressed this year.

Regardless of who comes in if they are a good coach I'd expect them to atleast steady the ship then take it forward. Watson did it at Huddersfield.

Powell has sank the ship and destroyed the fan base ( I sadly have to socialise with about 50 die hards due marrying a Warrington fan) some even working for wire and alot of them have taken breaks due to how bad they are.

I raise this is opinion from what I see but I don't feel Powell was a good choice for wire.
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fozzieskem
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Re: Mike Cooper

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Caboosegg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:41 pm
fozzieskem wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:26 pm
Caboosegg wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:17 am

Because he's take an underperforming team and made it worse, he hasn't shown anything yet other than taking Wire backwards.
Me lord I present the case for the defence…

Ian Watson last year at Huddersfield.

Me lord the case rests.

He has to be given time and his sort of player simple as that.
I disagree
Objection
Hearsay
Leading.

Huddersfield didn't go backwards they where still a difficult team to beat they have progressed this year.

Regardless of who comes in if they are a good coach I'd expect them to atleast steady the ship then take it forward. Watson did it at Huddersfield.

Powell has sank the ship and destroyed the fan base ( I sadly have to socialise with about 50 die hards due marrying a Warrington fan) some even working for wire and alot of them have taken breaks due to how bad they are.

I raise this is opinion from what I see but I don't feel Powell was a good choice for wire.
Ah now sir that’s the big question..is he the right man for wire?

You know I’ll stick my neck out and say maybe,trouble is as I see it the Warrington job was a much bigger one than most thought,a complete rerouting of how they play was needed and it’s clear that’s what happening,short term pain is nothing is it IF it comes off..and that’s the question.

This is a Warrington club that thought it was a great bit of business to sign a retired Greg Inglis,a move I called idiotic at the time and was proven right,it’s this type of short termism Powell has to change and the fan base will fall into line if it comes off.

But it’s that word isn’t it..If.
Southern Softy
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Re: Mike Cooper

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Well. Powell has obviously pissed off Charnley and Cooper - let's hope he does the same for Stefan Ratchford.
buttmonkey2
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Re: Mike Cooper

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Back on topic. The wolves fans are not happy about this
IF you presented a list of Warrington Wolves’ off-contract players to a group of supporters and asked them who they wished to retain, there would be one name at the top of almost every list.

However, it looks like those clamouring for Mike Cooper to be given an extension to his deal are to be disappointed.

And if the impending departure of a homegrown player who continues to churn out top performances despite being in the autumn of his career doesn’t sting enough, his expected destination will really drive the dagger home.

The prospect of Cooper donning the cherry and white of Wigan Warriors is one nobody ever thought we would see, but that is set to become reality in 2023.

While it is a move that will cause significant upset among the fan base, was it to be expected?

In the most basic sense, quite possibly – a new head coach in Daryl Powell presented with a lengthy off-contract list at the end of his first season means there was always a chance of a high player turnover.

He’s had half a season to figure out who fits into his plans and who doesn’t and those decisions are now starting to filter through.

There have been rumours floating around Warrington that Powell and Cooper have not exactly seen eye-to-eye this year and if there is truth to that, there is no doubt this will have played a part – but are there other factors at play?

Did Cooper ask for a longer deal than the club were prepared to offer? Have Wigan offered him a better package? Or is it purely down to Cooper wanting a new challenge?

The reasons may or may not enter the public domain in time, but if it emerges that the club have taken to decision to let him move on, it surely cannot be for performance-related reasons.

Despite being the elder statesman of the Wire pack at 33, he remains a totemic presence in the front row.

As the below table shows, he is making more metres on average per game and is carrying the ball for more gain than any of the club’s other recognised props this year.

He is also averaging comfortably more metres per game than Gil Dudson – the man who has been signed seemingly to replace him as Wire’s starting front-rower for next season (89.6 versus 71.3).

Add all of this to the fact Cooper is held up as a hometown hero among the fan base and an example to aspiring young rugby players who flood the town’s pitches on a daily basis, allowing him to leave seems like a big gamble on the face of it.

It may yet pay off – Wire’s remodelled pack may fire and the struggles so far this year will be but a distant memory – but it is a move laced with risk.

The sight of Cooper lifting trophies in Wigan colours and banging the drum for victory songs in the Halliwell Jones Stadium’s away dressing room would be too much for many to bear.
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moto748
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Re: Mike Cooper

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Well, that makes good reading! :D
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Re: Mike Cooper

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moto748 wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:04 pm Well, that makes good reading! :D
It does. Also Gill Dudson who it says has been signed to replace him is 31. Hardly a 27 year old NRL first grade prop which would probably be a better justification of letting Copper go.
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