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Wiganer Ted wrote: Still some good bills in there which I hope all parties will support like the ...phase 2a of the HS2 project.

Why? While generally I think when the economy is in poor shape the government ought to be investing in infrastructure projects they really ought to have a long term benefit.

So OK, while you build it there are employment benefits but what long term benefit does HS2 have? I saw a news bulletin the other night that said it would knock off 13 minutes off the journey from Manchester to London. Is that it?

If so and this goes ahead it is a vanity project to say we have fast trains and nothing else.

Time you accepted the Democratic result Dave.

Didn't realised you were a ex. London Fireman I thought you were a University lecturer and you allowed this false impression to persist.
Bet your a excellent Pool player spending most of yer working life in the Station rest room and being paid for it. Explains your politics!

Dave, HS2 is timed London to Manchester in 1hr 8 mins rather than 2hr 8 mins by Pendelino.
London to Crewe 55 mins rather than 1hr 37 as now.
Wigan NW to London 1hr 10 mins rather than 2hrs 5 mins
The interesting bit will be not so much building London to Crewe which will cost less than Crossrail, but the 2b stage to Mcr, Sheffield and Leeds, That will be the really expensive bit.

Just my opinion, but with the Scottish Govt saying they will build HS2 from Glasgow/Edinburgh to Carlise will the Westminster Govt go for Crewe to Carlisle rather than the cross Pennine route.
HS2 is a 400kph train and will do London to Glasgow in under 3hrs.
Transport people pretty much agree a train service under 3 hrs will take 75% of the traffic on the London to Glasgow route.Planes now have 75%. That would take a lot of planes out of Heathrow.

I agree with DaveO for once, the HS2 is a complete waste of time just for the sake of 13 minutes, HS3 and the M62 smart motorway would better projects along with the construction of tidal barrages across the Duddon Estuary and Morecambe Bay creating 20,000 jobs, giving better access to the west and south Cumbria and could produce 6,510GWh of electricity a year - enough to power 1.52 million homes a year, a much better use of the money

HS3 is a waste of time and money.
The distance from Liverpool to Hull is under 120 miles. What's the point of having a 240 mph train on a route that isn't half that distance?

Far better upgrading the current route to 140 mph with conventional trains making the journey.
That would give Liverpool to Manchester under 20 mins.
Manchester to Leeds 30 mins and Leeds to Hull under 30 mins.
The 120 miles in 80 mins.
New tracks and signalling would be needed and the new trains if ordered can be built for 140mph as easily as for 125 mph.

Peter252 wrote:Obviously the same source that promised that the EU would be falling over themselves to offer tariff free access to their markets, millions of pounds for the NHS, end to immigration and immediate trade treaties with the rest of the world. Probably the same source that promised a landslide Tory win as well.

I never got why people thought trade deals would be drawn up in no time?

The sheer stupidity of leaving must surely be dawning now and if not I'm sure it soon will be.

Fawdoffshed wrote:

Wandering Warrior wrote:So it will be no change from the last 45 years then!?

No need to shout.

It would be in capital letters if I was shouting!
Are you new to this game?

SJ wrote:Time you accepted the Democratic result Dave.

Didn't realised you were a ex. London Fireman I thought you were a University lecturer and you allowed this false impression to persist.
Bet your a excellent Pool player spending most of yer working life in the Station rest room and being paid for it. Explains your politics!

I am not sure what post of mine you are replying to but just to correct any of your misconceptions, I am an ex-Hindley Greener whose Dad worked for Turners and who's Mum worked in Kays Confectioner's shop at the top of Swan Lane (and in the Swan Pub as a barmaid before that). I myself work in IT and have done so since 1981 in private industry for all that time (in London and up here). It just so happens I also spent 16 of those years working for the OU at the same time doing that on evenings and weekends. Passing on my experience to my students while actually doing the job for real.

Does that explain my politics?

Fawdoffshed wrote:

Wandering Warrior wrote:

Fawdoffshed wrote:No need to shout.

It would be in capital letters if I was shouting!
Are you new to this game?

My reply was meant to be light-hearted.

FYI I worked in the newspaper printing industry for many years and an exclamation mark was known as a SHOUTER.

Am I new to this game?

Look at my joining date. It's not rocket science.

My comment was tongue in cheek actually. Using capital letters is a sign of shouting in social media.

DaveO wrote:

SJ wrote:Time you accepted the Democratic result Dave.

Didn't realised you were a ex. London Fireman I thought you were a University lecturer and you allowed this false impression to persist.
Bet your a excellent Pool player spending most of yer working life in the Station rest room and being paid for it. Explains your politics!

I am not sure what post of mine you are replying to but just to correct any of your misconceptions, I am an ex-Hindley Greener whose Dad worked for Turners and who's Mum worked in Kays Confectioner's shop at the top of Swan Lane (and in the Swan Pub as a barmaid before that). I myself work in IT and have done so since 1981 in private industry for all that time (in London and up here). It just so happens I also spent 16 of those years working for the OU at the same time doing that on evenings and weekends. Passing on my experience to my students while actually doing the job for real.

Does that explain my politics?

He's got you mixed up with somebody off a Millwall FC forum he hangs out on.