Noble must be good enough

[cpwigan]

Actually the RL press are saying that the public criticism by IL was the pivotal turning point.

Now if that is true what has the coach been doing for months. Kissing their behinds.

[platt-warrior]

Do you always believe the great rugby press CP?

[cpwigan]

When it issupported by quotes from the people concerned. Yes

[slimshady]

When it issupported by quotes from the people concerned. Yes

Nothing to do with the fact you cant give Nobby any credit for his coaching ability then, I said months ago that the team would peak for the play offs and you just continue your anti Noble dross.

[cpwigan]

When you are operating at a low level it is hard not to peak. Fate/lady luck and a kick up the backside from our owner were worth far far more than our coach.

[slimshady]

Not playing at a low level, starting slowly and finishing in a crescendo of fast flowing high impact rugby league culminating in a good t***ting of the scousers. CPW get with the positive mental attitude. One day you can thank me.

[Wigan Watcher]

CP I agree with most of your posting most of the time. I value and take on board your comments but on this one I can not agree at all. Noble is a top coach and we are lucky to have him. The players are the problem only playing when they want too. If you look at Nobles comments sometimes you can read into what he is saying. The word he uses a lot and he uses it very politely is enthusiasm.

If the truth be known he really means the players are lazy as they know they will keep their places week in week out as there is no one to take their place.

[GeoffN]

CP I agree with most of your posting most of the time. I value and take on board your comments but on this one I can not agree at all. Noble is a top coach and we are lucky to have him. The players are the problem only playing when they want too. If you look at Nobles comments sometimes you can read into what he is saying. The word he uses a lot and he uses it very politely is enthusiasm.

If the truth be known he really means the players are lazy as they know they will keep their places week in week out as there is no one to take their place.

But it's down to him to decide if they keep their places or not. He's always had options to give the likes of Sam Tomkins, Mossop, O'Carroll, McIlorum, Goulding etc. more game time; yet it's always been his choice to continue playing an out of form "star", or a favourite like Colbon, instead.
Not only does that mean he's deliberately not having competition for places, he's not giving the youngsters the chance to come through. If not for O'Loughlins injury, Joel Tomkins wouldn't have got a game, and look how he's turned out.

[cpwigan]

CP I agree with most of your posting most of the time. I value and take on board your comments but on this one I can not agree at all. Noble is a top coach and we are lucky to have him. The players are the problem only playing when they want too. If you look at Nobles comments sometimes you can read into what he is saying. The word he uses a lot and he uses it very politely is enthusiasm.

If the truth be known he really means the players are lazy as they know they will keep their places week in week out as there is no one to take their place.

You might be right Watcher. However, is it not the coach who principally creates an environment within a club? Graham Lowe did. John Monie did. Daniel Anderson has.

It should not take our Chairman to insult the players to make a difference. For me Noble should have been doing that. Instead he chose to defend them week in week out.

My problem is that I do not believe any British coach is good enough to coach Wigan RLFC. I firmly believe the best coaches are Australian with current NRL experience. Monie, Smith and now Anderson showed that to be true. I think Leeds have gone backwards under McLennan.

I just do not see how any coach spending year after year in SL can keep pace with NRL coaching developments. I even believe an NRL coach who stays more than 3 years starts to see his learning curve drop to virtually nothing.

I will give you an example. Entire sets of backs scooting / one out running is seen as incompetent coaching in the NRL. However, Noble uses it regularly.

[highland convert]

IL may have woken Barrett up. It was not him that wokre the whole team up. Problems within the team went deeper than that. Differnces are set aside and the team is playing. Moral is higher. What the problem is/was we may never know but this stuck record that sings "noble no good noble no good noble no good" just does not add up. He may have got a team at bradford but he kept them there. He may not have beeten the world as uk coach but he was good enough to get the job. When you say the team is not playing good rugby tactically how much credit do you give the other team stopping them. The team has now proved they can. They did not. Why, moral, why so low. Thats not down to the coach thats down to attitude. Who were the dividers, decenters and malcontents. The way things are with the younsters who are not getting gametime. Who makes that decission? Where does the buck stop if they are not ready, get injured or fail. You would be shouting why did he introduce too soon. There were 12 teams out there. Each peaked at different times. Wigan currently look the strongest. To say it is good luck, fluke in spite of Noble defies logic. The man's record speaks for itself. Yet you try to find somthing to criticise, shout it often enough someone will listen. If this thread does not go in the right direction why don't you start a counter thread,
Oh you did didn't you,
Jim