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Panchitta Marra wrote:

bertina wrote:

cpwigan wrote: If that was the case PM how do you explain players not making those handling errors or mistakes in the last 2 games? Hence, you cannot blame the coach.

The inherent propblem we have is that the competition is not tough enough, not pressurised enough BUT vitally it never will be when players can have a quality job/salary by producing mediocrity. In Australia, if you are not good enough, then a dozen or more players will take your contract. Perform, make the effort or your out.

I think Gary Schofield is an idiot but what as a coach are you expected to do when 6 players turn up drunk and the owner does nothing, they still carry on earning a living and you get the bullet.

The level of professionalism in this country amonmgst most, the majority of RL players is poor.

Exactly correct CP. That is why Madge won the grand final with the same bunch of players that had won nothing under Noble.
1.More discipline, with backing from IL.
2.Play well and your in, play poorly and your out, irrespective of whether you were a "Big Name" or not.
Never happened under Noble. The fringe players didn't feel a part of the main club.
Madge brought a different level of professionalism to the club at all levels, and that is what has turned our fortunes around.

Thanks Bertina, thats just answered my statement.
What a difference a good coach makes with the same squad of players.
It is the coach and his staff that bring out the discipline, consistancy, motivation, confidence etc etc in a player.

Which is what we all expect from Waney,IH hope will become a valued member of a coaching team,along with one other.

Obviously there's a lot more to coaching than I'll ever understand and i know ita already been mentioned but telling players if they don't perform they don't get picked and creating competition for places can make a massive difference to the effort players put in. I think if all other things had been equal but Nobby worked on this principle we could probably have been to finals with him as coach and maybe even have won something. Our fitness would have improved because of the extra effort put in in training and the players heads would have been less likely to go down when we went behind. It's very easy for coaches to say they are prepared to drop anyone but it takes some real nerve to drop certain players because of poor performances and Madge has shown he is willing to reward those who put the work in regardless of age or experience.

There is no doubting IMO that Madge is a better coach than Noble BUT the players at Wigan had the ability. You can be the best coach in the world but if you do not have the players then what you can achievce will always be limited.

Equally, the head coach is obviously key but other figures are vital. Wane and Bitcom for example. I do not think the impact of Bitcom can be ever underestimated. Prior to Bitcom even if the Wigan players wanted to they neither had the strength nor conditioning to work incredibly hard.

Re Madge; His decision making and judgement is what stands out. Selecting waney, perhaps selecting, certainly utilising Bitcom, moving Sam T to fullback etc.

Even at Crusaders, Noble, Harris and Sharpe achieved a lot on the back of 3 experienced quality coaches combined and the enthusiasm of a new team, new players.

Unfortunately left with 1 coach, money/management issues therte can be no doubt the Crusaders players started to cheat the fans and not give 100% week in week out. It happens far too often in this country. Coach gets sacked, new coach and first 2 weeks or so results improve YET the new coach has not had time to make a difference other than the same players think SHIT we better pull our fingers out etc and up their effort, DITTO Crusaders now.

In Britain, too often the players cheat the fans.

platt-warrior wrote:

Panchitta Marra wrote:

bertina wrote: Exactly correct CP. That is why Madge won the grand final with the same bunch of players that had won nothing under Noble.
1.More discipline, with backing from IL.
2.Play well and your in, play poorly and your out, irrespective of whether you were a "Big Name" or not.
Never happened under Noble. The fringe players didn't feel a part of the main club.
Madge brought a different level of professionalism to the club at all levels, and that is what has turned our fortunes around.

Thanks Bertina, thats just answered my statement.
What a difference a good coach makes with the same squad of players.
It is the coach and his staff that bring out the discipline, consistancy, motivation, confidence etc etc in a player.

Which is what we all expect from Waney,IH hope will become a valued member of a coaching team,along with one other.

Hope your right PW.
I have no doubts about the appointment of Waney, he has some proven history, albeit mainly at accademy level.
Madge speaks really highly of the bloke, plus I remember well his period in charge when Madge returned to Aussie last year, the team looked refreshed under Waney's leadership.
Harris I am not convinced.

Your'e bang on there T.E.W, he may have had criticisms from a lot of us over there being no info coming out of the club, but he has NEVER let us down in anything he's done for the club, this we find out when we need to and not before. He must have been rocked to the core when Madge asked to leave a year early but when the replacements are announced it'll be right for I.L. and the club and we'll all accept them as the best men for the job. Bill.

I have been informed, by a good source that Sculthorpe spent several hours with IFL recently, but he has not seen Harris at the club.

All I can conclude from that is if Harris does become the Assistant Coach then Scully wanted too much brass!

platt-warrior wrote:Why all the negativity re Wane and Harris?

Because the rumour is Harris was imposed on Wane as his assistant when Wane wanted Scunthorpe.

DaveO wrote:

platt-warrior wrote:Why all the negativity re Wane and Harris?

Because the rumour is Harris was imposed on Wane as his assistant when Wane wanted Scunthorpe.

Sculthorpe even

josie andrews wrote:

DaveO wrote:

platt-warrior wrote:Why all the negativity re Wane and Harris?

Because the rumour is Harris was imposed on Wane as his assistant when Wane wanted Scunthorpe.

Sculthorpe even

Bloody spell checker!

DaveO wrote:

platt-warrior wrote:Why all the negativity re Wane and Harris?

Because the rumour is Harris was imposed on Wane as his assistant when Wane wanted Scunthorpe.

TBH if there is one single element of truth in any of this "imposing" players/staff upon Shaun Wane then IMO he should NOT be Wigan's coach.

He sounds from other poster's comments weak-minded, unable to make his own judgements and easily influenced, Bad traits for a future coach of a team with ego's/character as diverse as can be in a team sport.

Perhaps it could be Wane that is the problem here?