We missed Sam Powell Tonight

[pedro]

Ok Powell is as good as Roby...better?

Of course not. Who is saying this? Roby is clearly the better player.

Powell is solid enough for a salary capped team. Just don't expect him to be a superstar hooker.

the stats...

[EagleEyePie]

We miss Powell in the sense that we'd be better with him at 9 than having a makeshift 9 who is having to adapt to an unfamiliar role. Powell at 9 would obviously be better for us because players are familiar with his style of play, he's familiar with theirs and the bare minimum is his passing accuracy out of dummy half is more accurate than both Shorrocks or Bourouh.

There's no real evidence to suggest we'd have got different results in the games he missed had he been available. We're a little bit weaker in attack without him but a lot of the issues we've had recently have been present most of then season. His presence could help a little but not a lot based on what he's produced so far this season.

If you look at the games Powell has missed this season - against Huddersfield, Hull KR (since he played 1 minute) and Saints we got pretty much identical results with him and without him. The only fixture that was significantly different was Leeds as we scored 19 points against them at the start of the year, but given the amount of time that passed quite a lot has changed since that game.

Hopefully Powell isn't out for too long though. We're still a better team with him than without. We're also much better with Shorrocks coming on at 13 as a ball playing forward rather than having him at dummy half.

Since it seems Powell will miss the Castleford game too I hope Brad O'Neill gets a game. Bourouh looked a liability against Leeds whereas O'Neill has looked solid in the games he's played.

[Mike]

Ok Powell is as good as Roby...better?

Of course not. Who is saying this? Roby is clearly the better player.

Powell is solid enough for a salary capped team. Just don't expect him to be a superstar hooker.

the stats...

Those stats were totals if I remember correctly, so need dividing by appearance at least to draw a comparison?

[nathan_rugby]

Of course not. Who is saying this? Roby is clearly the better player.

Powell is solid enough for a salary capped team. Just don't expect him to be a superstar hooker.

the stats...

Those stats were totals if I remember correctly, so need dividing by appearance at least to draw a comparison?

It’s a waste of time.

I can’t believe people are comparing Roby and Powell’s stats.

One of the best hookers & players in a generation.

[DaveO]

Everyone slams Powell yet the correlation is simple, 3 games missing, 3 losses.

You don’t have to be the best player in the world to bind a team together and move them around the park.

He solidifies the middle and he constantly talks to the players and gives the players around him confidence. He’s also very experienced and a winner.

We are lacking confidence.

We all know he isn’t the best attacking hooker in the league but his presence in the team is not to be under estimated.

I’d have him as captain in a heart beat!


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You obviously have never heard of the saying correlation does not imply causation. Just because Powell was out and we lost three games does not mean if he’d played we’d have won.

Given his only strength is defence and our problem is attack I fail to see how you can say his absence is of any significance. The opposition tonight only scored 14 points so solidifying the middle” isn’t something that was particularly lacking anyway.

We can’t score and he has just about zero attacking ability. His addition to the side will not address the issue of a poor attack one iota.

You are also completely exaggerating his influence on the team. They look no better with him in it then they do without. All the things you say he adds to the team are missing when he is in and when he isn’t.

You have him confused with Lockers in his prime.

People are far too kind when they say things like he’s not as bad as some make out. He is. He’s crap.

Whilst your making things obvious with correlation/causation let’s keep Lam, give him 3 years, just because we are in a rut with him doesn’t mean we can’t win a GF, he’s got us to one.


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The obvious difference is there is plenty of evidence to back up saying Lam is not up to it but none to suggest Powell would have made the difference you claim.

[DaveO]

Glad you agree he’s been missed 100%

On what basis is my post rubbish?

Games we lost whilst Powell was playing, I’d hazard a guess we scored more points than in the last 3 games. Naive to think a team can win every game. The last 3 games we have been diabolical.


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The idea we’d score more points with Powell in the side has got to be one of the funniest things I have read. Particularly in the post above this one you just said yourself he’s not up to much in attack. Make your mind up.

Given the depth and length of your posts you would think you’d read others properly and understand them.

What I wrote was he’s not the best attacking hooker, this is very different too, he’s not upto much in attack.

Clearly my mind is made up, he’s better than what people think and he’s missed at the moment.


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So now you are claiming Powell does have have something to offer in attack.

He plainly does not. He has no pace. His passing is slow. If you come back and suggest otherwise I can only conclude you have never actually seen him play.

[Mike]

The idea we’d score more points with Powell in the side has got to be one of the funniest things I have read. Particularly in the post above this one you just said yourself he’s not up to much in attack. Make your mind up.

Given the depth and length of your posts you would think you’d read others properly and understand them.

What I wrote was he’s not the best attacking hooker, this is very different too, he’s not upto much in attack.

Clearly my mind is made up, he’s better than what people think and he’s missed at the moment.


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So now you are claiming Powell does have have something to offer in attack.

He plainly does not. He has no pace. His passing is slow. If you come back and suggest otherwise I can only conclude you have never actually seen him play.

Its better than Shorrocks' !

[pedro]

Of course not. Who is saying this? Roby is clearly the better player.

Powell is solid enough for a salary capped team. Just don't expect him to be a superstar hooker.

the stats...

Those stats were totals if I remember correctly, so need dividing by appearance at least to draw a comparison?

couldnt care anyway, I never look at stats as they are pointless unless totally comparable, who theyve played, the other teams selection etc

[Graham1]

Shorrocks is not answer but he ran further forward in one break than Powell has done all season.

[pearsy]

God are we in trouble if we missed Powell .We missed 13 players on the pitch that would run there blood to water